What is Celtic Mass?

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I’m totally interested in What is Celtic Mass? There is an event south of my town in Fond du Lac, WI and they told me that one of the Bishops of the Milwaukee Archdiocese will officiate the Celtic Mass. He also will bless the THREE new bells that are being installed or something. I think the bells have names. I can remember two of them. St. Peter’s and St. Louis. Oh, I think the other one is named The Sacred Heart. It could be that these bells are from little churches of those names and just being moved or something. I really don’t know what the whole thing is all about. All I know is that I must attend on Sunday the 7th and I have to find out what Celtic Mass is.

Try to get an address! It isn’t very plain and clear where this event will take place. There are multiple locations and on each of those locations there are multiple street names. I’ve called the church and written emails asking, but I’m still not sure where it will be because I get different church names and different road names different directions each time…I’m becoming frantic, I think, and that is making me not listen with understanding.

Could someone in the know please help me with What is Celtic Mass? For the location, I’ll just have to go early and do some ground searching all over the city until I find it, I guess. So if you see a rusty blue truck driving wildly around the city Sunday morning, you’ll know I’m still looking. HA
 
Celtic is Irish. I would guess the music will have an Irish feeling to it and perhaps the priest will have a nice Irish accent. You may use this Mass setting: ocp.org/products/10415
 
SuscipeMeDomine said:
Celtic is Irish. I would guess the music will have an Irish feeling to it and perhaps the priest will have a nice Irish accent. You may use this Mass setting: ocp.org/products/10415
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Ireland is but one of six celtic nations; the others are:

Cymru (Wales)
Alba (Scotland)
Ellan Vannin (Isle of Man)
Kernow (Cornwall)
Breizh (Brittany)
 
Pious said:
Ireland is but one of six celtic nations; the others are:

Cymru (Wales)
Alba (Scotland)
Ellan Vannin (Isle of Man)
Kernow (Cornwall)
Breizh (Brittany)
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Thanks for the correction. Looking at your location, I guess you’d know, wouldn’t you? 🙂
 
There is a group that calls itself Celtic Orthodox.

Their translation of the Lorrha-Stowe Missal can be found here:

celticchristianity.org/

However, I really doubt this is the “Celtic Mass” that will be celebrated.
 
Pious said:
Ireland is but one of six celtic nations; the others are:

Cymru (Wales)
Alba (Scotland)
Ellan Vannin (Isle of Man)
Kernow (Cornwall)
Breizh (Brittany)
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This is interesting. Noting that you are from North Wales, do you have “the Celtic Mass” there? Have you heard this Christopher Walker OCP product? Why do you think they would specifically say “the Celtic Mass” in conjunction with a triple bell blessing?
 
Could it be Mass in one of the Celtic languages. I’ve been to a couple of Irish language masses…they were…interesting…
 
bpbasilphx said:
There is a group that calls itself Celtic Orthodox.

Their translation of the Lorrha-Stowe Missal can be found here:

celticchristianity.org/

However, I really doubt this is the “Celtic Mass” that will be celebrated.
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Sorry 'bout this PM stuff. I have so much spam blocker stuff on this machine, I can’t control it all…even if I did know how. HA I wasn’t not wanting to talk with you PM wise. The machine wouldn’t let me.

I’m sure you are right in your thinking. The mass will be in a Roman Catholic community. If I do recall, the Orthodox busted away around year 1000 CE. (I like to say AD still.)

I went to that site, though, that you posted and the first page was interesting.
 
pm1853 said:
Could it be Mass in one of the Celtic languages. I’ve been to a couple of Irish language masses…they were…interesting…
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I think the Bishop’s name is Callahan. That certainly sounds Irish.
Here in the Green Bay Diocese, we just had a new Bishop installed on St. Augustine’s Day and the Arch Bishop came up from Milwaukee for that. (Surprise the readings for that mass were out of Luke, Luke 12 instead of Matthew.) He wasn’t named Callahan, though. I think his name was Dolan.

Maybe the southern part of out state of Wisconsin has a major Irish (or Celtic) history. I do know for a fact that the Western part of Wisconsin is very Irish (Celtic.) That is where Wisconsin gets its nick name, the Badger State from. The Irish people were miners when they first arrived to Wisconsin from their homeland.
 
LMP said:
This is interesting. Noting that you are from North Wales, do you have “the Celtic Mass” there? Have you heard this Christopher Walker OCP product? Why do you think they would specifically say “the Celtic Mass” in conjunction with a triple bell blessing?
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I have attended a N.O Mass in the Welsh language, but would not say it was a Celtic Mass as in a type of rite.

The Church in the ancient times in Wales would have celebrated an early form of the Divine Liturgy rather than the Mass of the Latin Church; due to the fact that Wales was introduced to Christianity from the representatives of the Eastern Churches.

St David the Patron Saint of Wales was ordained a Bishop by the Patriach of Jerusalem.

I have not heard of Christopher Walker.

It could be a Mass with Celtic music.
 
usually “celtic mass” just means a mass with celtic-sounding music.

the blessing of the bells is just a normal blessing ceremony, like anything else the priest would bless.

its not THAT amazingly special…
 
the blessing of the bells is just a normal blessing ceremony, like anything else the priest would bless.

The blessing of church bells (colloquially called “baptism of bells”) was originally reserved to bishops. Has this changed?
 
from landru.i-link-2.net/shnyves/church_bells.htm

"Lord, from the beginning of time
your voice has called to us, inviting us to communion with you, teaching us the mysteries of your life, guiding us on the way to salvation.
With silver trumpets Moses summoned Israel to gather as your people.
Now you are pleased that in the Church the sound of bells should summon your people to prayer.

By this blessing + accept
these bells into your service.
May their voice direct our hearts toward you and prompt us to come gladly to this church, there to experience the presence of Christ, listen to your word, offer you our prayers, and both in joy and in sorrow be friends to one another.
We ask this through Christ our Lord. Amen."
 
From
stdavidsanglican.com/who_was_st_david

“Under the direction of an angel, three Welsh saints, David, Teilo and Padarn, went on pilgrimage to Jerusalem together. An index of early bardic lore, preserved in a collection of sayings called the Triads of the Isle of Britain, in Welsh, Trioedd Ynys Prydein, called them the Three Blessed Visitors of the Isle of Britain. St. David, who was granted the gift of tongues for the journey, acted as interpreter. At Jerusalem, they had audience with the Patriarch who consecrated David as Archbishop, and presented them with four gifts: a bell, a staff, a tunic woven with gold, and an altar.”

Research on St. David says that he lived 520 to 601 CE. or date of death thought to be march 1, 589 (thus March 1st is the feast day) There is a story that says he was 147 years old when he died, making his birth 442 CE to 454 CE
My reading shows St. David became a bishop around 550 CE.

The Patriarch in Jerusalem was who at that time?
I found “Sophronius was born in Damascus (Syria) in 550 A.D”
and “In 633/4 A.D. he became Patriarch of Jerusalem”.
This man became Patriarch after St. David’s life had already ended. Who, what patriarch came before Sophronius?
Could there have been more than one Patriarch?

Guess what else happened in 550 CE?
Muhammad born in Mecca
 
bpbasilphx said:
the blessing of the bells is just a normal blessing ceremony, like anything else the priest would bless.

The blessing of church bells (colloquially called “baptism of bells”) was originally reserved to bishops. Has this changed?
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The OP said a bishop was presiding:
I’m totally interested in What is Celtic Mass? There is an event south of my town in Fond du Lac, WI and they told me that one of the Bishops of the Milwaukee Archdiocese will officiate the Celtic Mass. He also will bless the THREE new bells that are being installed or something.
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Patriarch at the time St. David became bishop
One of the reasons historians don’t put the name in the biography of St. David is because it is questionable exactly which of the two Patriarchs may have actually done the installation.

"Elijah of Jerusalem (494-513) was the first Patriarch of Arabic origin Emperor Anastasius to depose Elijah and exile him to Aila, a town near the Red Sea. Elijah was never able to return to Jerusalem and died in exile in 518.

John III, who was a disciple of St. Sabas, was elected the new Patriarch of Jerusalem in his place.

In 524, Peter became the new Patriarch of Jerusalem. died in 544
Macarius was elected Patriarch. Macarius II (544-552 and 564-574) was made the Patriarch of Jerusalem
Emperor Justinian ordered him dethroned, and a certain Eustochius (552-564) was appointed the new Patriarch in his place." From morewhoiswho.tripod.com/history.html
 
“Baptism of the Bells” used to be more common, I think, and yes, they were given names.

Fisheaters has a section about this: fisheaters.com/bells.html

But I don’t have a clue about the “Celtic Mass”, other than a Mass with Celtic music, which could very cool.
 
Rawb said:
“Baptism of the Bells” used to be more common, I think, and yes, they were given names.

Fisheaters has a section about this: fisheaters.com/bells.html

But I don’t have a clue about the “Celtic Mass”, other than a Mass with Celtic music, which could very cool.
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Well, I’m going tomorrow before the 10:15 mass. (Hope I find it.)
I’ll write back and give a first-hand accounting of it all.
Thanks for the link.
 
One other thing, Darby was Irish. He was the guy that spread the
“rapture” pretrib teaching. In today’s reading, (Saturday Sept 6) I think it is important to notice some of the words.

Matthew 5:9 Happy are the peacemakers; they shall be called sons of God. Happy are they who suffer persecution for justice’sake; the kingdom of heaven is theirs.

1st Reading 1 Corinthians 4: 6-15 Here Paul in his first letter Paul was warning the Corinthians to not speculate and instead focus on the Christ’s cross.

Going a bit further beyond the 15th vs…in 20, 21 these are very good Words.

The 2nd reading is Luke 6:1-5 …if you go over to the other version in Matthew 12:1-14 you’ll get a bit more insight. "Have you not read what did when he and his companions were hungry, how he went into the house of God and ate the bread of offering, which neither he nor his companions byt only the priests could lawfully eat? " The Jewish law was not violated because David’s men were hungry. Jesus in his response says pretty much: The priest’s must do their work on the Sabbath and that in and of itself is a “breaking” of Sabbath rest. If they can do it, how come David and his men who haven’t eaten can’t do it. So if the Pharisees are being discriminating, how much more does the very presence of Jesus justify the disciples acts of reaping wheat.
 
LMP, what are these messages you’re posting? It looks like you’re trying to derail your own thread!
 
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