oh that. i went through it already. can easily be the result of the old ‘switcheroo’. i am looking for something that is more verifiable, more objective. something that cannot be faked. should be quite easy for a real god.
Off topic. Please start a new thread to discuss Eucharistic miracles.
Not totally off-topic, IMO - you don’t hear accounts of these kinds of miracles in Baptist churches! It is certainly a difference between the two faiths!
Good point. As a Protestant I think we miss something when we do not take communion more often.Not totally off-topic, IMO - you don’t hear accounts of these kinds of miracles in Baptist churches! It is certainly a difference between the two faiths!
Sorry, I think there is some time limit on the ability to edit a post, because I don’t see the button. In any case, I still find your comments to be a bit rude. The “God of the Catholics” is not physically inside their church buildings. That is a gross distortion of what they believe, and I think you know this.i edited my post. can you please edit yours to reflect my change? take off the last sentence. i realized it was quite rude.
anyway, i have zero problem with the miraculous and supernatural. what i have a problem with are the hear-says and baseless superstitions. I cannot point to the real God, but what I can point to is the God of the Catholics: he is right there physically inside your church buildings every sunday. with that fact, what do you have to show for it? anything extraordinary?
Not at all - I am worshiping the very same Christ as a Catholic that I did as a Baptist - only now I get to experience His Real Presence; Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity in the Catholic Church and not just memorialize Him. My faith is deeper and richer as a Catholic than it ever was as a Baptist.
I thought Baptists baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (as per Acts 2:38) instead of in the name of “The Father, Son and Holy Spirit” (as per Matt 28:18-20), which would indeed render the baptism invalid. What also renders it invalid is the belief that it is not sacramental (i.e. baptism doesn’t actually “do” anything).
Nope, that’s certain Oneness Pentecostals that baptize in the name of Jesus only. Every Baptist church I’ve been to uses the Trinitarian formula.
No again - Baptists are big on immersion. You get ALL wet or it doesn’t count.
Intention is considered broadly “for the remission of sins.”
It’s been over 20 years since I was actively involved in the Baptist church, but my family firmly remains Baptist.
As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13). (From Assurance of Salvation?)
That follows their belief that each Baptist church is autonomous - the pastor and congregation decide what they believe. My (Baptist) friend jokes that there are 57 Varieties of Baptist.
That’s the standard Baptist belief.
Baptism is the first initiation sacrament, but it doesn’t *guarantee *salvation.
I’ll try to ask this in a more straightforward manner: when were you saved? At what point did you stop being unregenerate, have your sins forgiven, and receive the Holy Spirit? Was it at Baptism, or did you have an alter call, or did you say a prayer? When, exactly?As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13). (From Assurance of Salvation?)
That follows their belief that each Baptist church is autonomous - the pastor and congregation decide what they believe. My (Baptist) friend jokes that there are 57 Varieties of Baptist.
That’s the standard Baptist belief.
Baptism is the first initiation sacrament, but it doesn’t *guarantee *salvation.
I don’t think so, but I’m waiting for someone who’s more of an expert to clarify. My understanding is that if you didn’t get baptized to have your sins forgiven and receive the indwelling spirit (i.e. to be saved), your baptism is not valid according to Catholicism. In a casual search, I was able to find many sites that say salvation for Baptists is not at baptism. Here’s one; there are many:
Pixie Dust gave her answer, which is a standard Catholic answer. For Catholics, there is no certain point of time when one is saved, since salvation is a continual process. It’s not like “I was saved at such and such date”. No–salvation is a process, one that has no beginning, and certainly will not end until Judgment.
Regarding valid Baptism.
Billions of Christians have been baptized, confirmed, repented, and married for almost 2 thousand years now and yet there is not one shred of evidence of the supernatural associated with it.I definitely agree with the symbolic interpretation because billions of catholics have been eating the host for almost 2 thousand years now and yet there is not one shred of evidence of the supernatural associated with the host or the consumption of it.
You’re playing the typical semantics game that people play when arguing about this type of stuff. I agree salvation is a process, but there is a point when one ceases to be unregenerate and becomes regenerate: that point is baptism. I’m reading it straight out of the CCC right now. Baptists do not believe this. That is my point. Baptists do not believe Baptism confers any forgiveness of sins or the indwelling of the Spirit. That makes it invalid according to Catholic doctrine.
