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alright, so many questions! sorry for the numerous posts, but i don’t want to get my other questions tied up with this one! what exactly is Eastern Catholicism? can someone tell me please?
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A major schism took place between East and West sometime between the 800s and 1400s depending on who you read (1054 being an almost unanimously accepted date at this point). Thus we have the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church.
Even before that there were other schisms involving the Coptic Church, the Assyrian Church, the Nestorians, and others.
However, over time, portions of these Churches returned to full communion with the Catholic Church and the bishop of Rome. Likewise, there were some that never were separated in the first place, like the Maronite Catholics.
They are distinct because they do not use the same liturgical rites for the sacraments as those of us of the Roman rite. They may also have different fasting rules and other customs. They also tend to not use the scholastic approach to theology that is most popular among those of the Roman tradition.
Here is a link that lists all the rites of the Catholic Church:
ewtn.com/expert/answers/catholic_rites_and_churches.htm
Even before that there were other schisms involving the Coptic Church, the Assyrian Church, the Nestorians, and others.
However, over time, portions of these Churches returned to full communion with the Catholic Church and the bishop of Rome. Likewise, there were some that never were separated in the first place, like the Maronite Catholics.
They are distinct because they do not use the same liturgical rites for the sacraments as those of us of the Roman rite. They may also have different fasting rules and other customs. They also tend to not use the scholastic approach to theology that is most popular among those of the Roman tradition.
Here is a link that lists all the rites of the Catholic Church:
ewtn.com/expert/answers/catholic_rites_and_churches.htm
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TraditionalCath
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Hesychios
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Hello Genesis,
The Byzantine rite church of Italy, once the home of 1000 monasteries and many dioceses, was squeezed into oblivian after a few hundred years, so much so that not one diocese remains that had not been converted into a Latin-rite diocese hundreds of years ago. Byzantine Christianity revived in Italy with an influx of Albanian Orthodox refugees. There is no evidence I am aware of that they even were able to take over old physical plant discarded by the former Italian Greek Catholics who had become Latins, although I would say it is possible in some cases.
The same process happened to the Albanian church as happened to the Italian church before them, they almost became an extinct entity, but survive in very small numbers today, one of the very smallest Eastern Catholic churches existing. But their roots are in Balkan Orthodoxy (out of communion with Rome) not in southern Italy.
The case of the Maronites may be misrepresented. For it is well recorded that the Maronites were West Syrian Monothelites for hundreds of years, out of communion with all of their neighbors, including those churches in communion with Rome at any time during the period. While Monothelites the only Pope they might have been in communion with was Honorius, but I am not even sure about that.
Michael
I don’t blame you so much for thinking this, if we hear something repeated often enough we might be inclined to believe it. And so this information circulates like an urban legend.
The Byzantine rite church of Italy, once the home of 1000 monasteries and many dioceses, was squeezed into oblivian after a few hundred years, so much so that not one diocese remains that had not been converted into a Latin-rite diocese hundreds of years ago. Byzantine Christianity revived in Italy with an influx of Albanian Orthodox refugees. There is no evidence I am aware of that they even were able to take over old physical plant discarded by the former Italian Greek Catholics who had become Latins, although I would say it is possible in some cases.
The same process happened to the Albanian church as happened to the Italian church before them, they almost became an extinct entity, but survive in very small numbers today, one of the very smallest Eastern Catholic churches existing. But their roots are in Balkan Orthodoxy (out of communion with Rome) not in southern Italy.
The case of the Maronites may be misrepresented. For it is well recorded that the Maronites were West Syrian Monothelites for hundreds of years, out of communion with all of their neighbors, including those churches in communion with Rome at any time during the period. While Monothelites the only Pope they might have been in communion with was Honorius, but I am not even sure about that.
Michael
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Joe_Monahan
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Ignore the EWTN link, the accuracy of which has been disparaged many times here and, instead, see our Reference Thread
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TraditionalCath
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thanks joel
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bpbasilphx
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One comment–You titled your thred “what is Eastern Catholic Rite”?
Properly, there is no such thing.
There are 22 sui juris churches that constitute the Catholic Church. The Roman Church is just one of these. All of the other CHURCHES are Eastern, using some 5 or 6 different rites.
Properly, there is no such thing.
There are 22 sui juris churches that constitute the Catholic Church. The Roman Church is just one of these. All of the other CHURCHES are Eastern, using some 5 or 6 different rites.
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Amadeus
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No, there are 23 Churches sui iuris in the Catholic communion.
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