What is going on in Minneapolis?

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Of note, even though Cardinal McCarrick said he was “uncomfortable” in denying communion

Oh brother, it’s the “comfort” thing again…
 
They don’t want to be judgeMENTAL.

It’s a shame that some of these Bishops don’t have a spine. :mad:
 
bishop flynn is under the influence of the devil although he doesn’t realize it. he’s trying to be nice instead of proclaiming the gospel. his soul is in jeopardy and we should pray for him.
 
What is going on is what has been going on since the French Revolution – humanism. It continues to triumph at the expense of Catholicism. The article indicates that the highest levels of the Church’s hierarchy remain thouroughly tainted with this disease. – Sincerely, Albert Cipriani the Traditional Catholic
 
Harry Flynn is one Archbishop who’s motivations, or lack thereof, ellude me. Though for sure we must pray for him, along with the parishes(St. Joan of Arc etc) he has allowed to continue in heresy.

Something else the good Archbishop has let continue to fester forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=26558

It may be my opinion, but I don’t feel enforcing Church teaching is very high on Flynn’s priority list. I may be wrong, but that is what I can gather from my end.
 
The article indicates that the highest levels of the Church’s hierarchy remain thoroughly tainted with this disease
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i agree. all you have to do is look at how the church was completely transformed since VII. our liturgy is mostly ruined, catholic education is generally poor, and vocations are overall way down. but the catechism published in 1992(?) stands in contrast. the teachings are still there, but it hasn’t been effectively transmitted to the laity. it almost seems the vatican is forcing the laity to teach the faith at the family level and not depend on the institutional church.

maybe this is a good thing if the church is forced underground under a neopagan regime which seems more and more probable.
 
I have a question: do the Legionnaires of Christ demand that all pro-abortion politicians and gays be denied Communion? does Regnum Christi demand that also? If this is so, this would explain Flynn, as any priest knows all too well: most folks taking Communion have not been to Confession in a long, long time. If priests were to disallow Communion to some then they must disallow it to most–what are they going to do, question every person who comes up to receive? get my drift here? i.e. most folks coming up to receive are in mortal sin–and who is to cast the first stone?
 
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NightRider:
If priests were to disallow Communion to some then they must disallow it to most…
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In logic, this is known as the fallacy of the false dichotomy.
what are they going to do, question every person who comes up to receive?
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No, that would be silly. Rather, the priest is to deny communion when there is no question about a communicant’s moral stance, when it’s manifestly obvious to all as they sasha up the asile in their rainbow sashes.
get my drift here?
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Yeah. Your red herring smoke bomb is drifting across the sharply focused issue here. But your attempt at obfuscation only strengthens the contrast between those of us who are for orthodoxy and those who are for tolerating heterodoxy.
most folks coming up to receive are in mortal sin–and who is to cast the first stone?
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Speak for yourself – and you’ve already cast it. – Sincerely, Albert Cipriani the Traditional Catholic
 
No, albert cipriani, you do not get my drift. And since you already think you do, I am not going to attempt to explain anything to you. Your comments to me were really quite rude.
 
what are they going to do, question every person who comes up to receive? interestingly, eastern orthodox priests do not give the eucharist to people they do not know. they only give it to those who have been to the sacrament of penance before hand and are not in a state of sin. i find this pretty admirable but this is not our tradition in the west. the church leaves it up to the individual to decide if they are in a state of grace.

BUT, the priest has the obligation to refuse communion to those who he knows are in a state of mortal sin or not in communion with the church. this is why he generally will refuse communion to people who are married outside of the church and non-catholics. rainbow sash wearing homo-activists are publicly wearing a sign to show they are opposed to the churches teaching on sexuality.

WHY WOULD THE BISHOP ALLOW THEM TO RECIEVE COMMUNION IF HE KNOWS THEY ARE NOT IN COMMUNION WITH THE CHURCH? this is a desecration of the Body of Christ and there will be hell to pay for this.
 
I truly don’t know what is going on here. I’m not real active. I’m a member of a spirituality group that meets a couple of times a month; I just signed up to be a pastoral care minister visiting at a nursing home until I get trained and then probably will transfer over to visit the folks at the Vet’s Hospital and the Soldiers Home.

But I only know what I read in the papers and here in this forum.

I guess the thing that is most disconcerting for me is the attitude of the Bishops and priests.

I see a huge amount of criticism of people who are moving into the lay apostolates that were authorized by Vatican II. Many of these no doubt go to extremes and should be counselled. But the Archbishop doesn’t seem to like this independence at all.
Apparently they’re not obedient enough.

There is a family here in town that has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of its own money for the construction and operation of a UHF Catholic television channel. It carries 24 hours of EWTN and a little bit of local programming. Family members are there daily to run announcements for various parishes.

There are only four or five broadcast Catholic local televison stations in the entire country. We have one. The Archdiocese has a “communications” budget that is just huge. How much of that goes to Channel 19? Zippo! The station is too conservative!

When Gibson came out with his movie last Winter, the reaction from the Chancery was absolute silence in terms of promoting it. Every Protestant (well, most) were ecstatic about the POTC. The most you would hear from my Pastor and the Chancery was that they were afraid that we were going to go off and kill every Jew we could find.

Are they that out of touch with their flock? There were a couple of meetings at my Parish to discuss the movie. The Liturgist made the presentation at one. The tenor of his presentation was in the form of questions and answers. He was convinced that we were shallow idiots. He asked, “How many have seen the movie (POTC)?” And a goodly number raised their hands.

Then he asked “How many have read the book (the Bible)?” And he truly was flabberghasted that the same number of people raised their hands.

He with his fancy degree was of the opinion that we had never read the Bible and were theologically illiterate and had no business going to a movie like that. He wanted to put us in our place. The reason he thought that is that he knew that the Church had not been teaching us anything. What he didn’t know was that we decided to learn on our own.

He had to drop his entire presentation and revert to questions from us.

The Pastor then brought in a Rabbi to warn us about pogroms and anti-Semitism.

The hierarchy has absolutely abandoned us these past 40 years and they talk to us so little that they don’t know what we’re up to.
And we’re the ones trying to adhere to the Faith.

And the cafeteria Catholics who pick and choose on their own what to believe, why, as long as they subscribe to the “social ministry” of the Church, they leave well enough alone. Don’t rock the boat

Among the scarier things is that this Archdiocese is pretty well run, administratively. The bills are paid. The “Crisis” hit here, as elsewhere, but not to the extent of some of the other locales. And insurance paid most of the bill. We’re not closing parishes very often, in fact we regularly open new ones. Schools are being built. The social ministries are wonderful. Perpetual adoration flourishes.

So the Physical Church appears to be well taken care of here.

But many of us are concerned about the Spiritual Church.

I really don’t know much about Regnum Christi or the Legionaries of Christ. I do get daily meditation prayers from the Legionaries in my email. There’s nothing wrong with those.

We all have different needs. Let’s all pray for each other.
 
Ray Marshall:
I truly don’t know what is going on here. I’m not real active. I’m a member of a spirituality group that meets a couple of times a month; I just signed up to be a pastoral care minister visiting at a nursing home until I get trained and then probably will transfer over to visit the folks at the Vet’s Hospital and the Soldiers Home.

But I only know what I read in the papers and here in this forum.

I guess the thing that is most disconcerting for me is the attitude of the Bishops and priests.

I see a huge amount of criticism of people who are moving into the lay apostolates that were authorized by Vatican II. Many of these no doubt go to extremes and should be counselled. But the Archbishop doesn’t seem to like this independence at all.
Apparently they’re not obedient enough.

There is a family here in town that has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of its own money for the construction and operation of a UHF Catholic television channel. It carries 24 hours of EWTN and a little bit of local programming. Family members are there daily to run announcements for various parishes.

There are only four or five broadcast Catholic local televison stations in the entire country. We have one. The Archdiocese has a “communications” budget that is just huge. How much of that goes to Channel 19? Zippo! The station is too conservative!

When Gibson came out with his movie last Winter, the reaction from the Chancery was absolute silence in terms of promoting it. Every Protestant (well, most) were ecstatic about the POTC. The most you would hear from my Pastor and the Chancery was that they were afraid that we were going to go off and kill every Jew we could find.

Are they that out of touch with their flock? There were a couple of meetings at my Parish to discuss the movie. The Liturgist made the presentation at one. The tenor of his presentation was in the form of questions and answers. He was convinced that we were shallow idiots. He asked, “How many have seen the movie (POTC)?” And a goodly number raised their hands.

Then he asked “How many have read the book (the Bible)?” And he truly was flabberghasted that the same number of people raised their hands.

He with his fancy degree was of the opinion that we had never read the Bible and were theologically illiterate and had no business going to a movie like that. He wanted to put us in our place. The reason he thought that is that he knew that the Church had not been teaching us anything. What he didn’t know was that we decided to learn on our own.

He had to drop his entire presentation and revert to questions from us.

The Pastor then brought in a Rabbi to warn us about pogroms and anti-Semitism.

The hierarchy has absolutely abandoned us these past 40 years and they talk to us so little that they don’t know what we’re up to.
And we’re the ones trying to adhere to the Faith.

And the cafeteria Catholics who pick and choose on their own what to believe, why, as long as they subscribe to the “social ministry” of the Church, they leave well enough alone. Don’t rock the boat

Among the scarier things is that this Archdiocese is pretty well run, administratively. The bills are paid. The “Crisis” hit here, as elsewhere, but not to the extent of some of the other locales. And insurance paid most of the bill. We’re not closing parishes very often, in fact we regularly open new ones. Schools are being built. The social ministries are wonderful. Perpetual adoration flourishes.

So the Physical Church appears to be well taken care of here.

But many of us are concerned about the Spiritual Church.

I really don’t know much about Regnum Christi or the Legionaries of Christ. I do get daily meditation prayers from the Legionaries in my email. There’s nothing wrong with those.

We all have different needs. Let’s all pray for each other.
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I think this is a very thoughtful and thought-provoking post from someone who actually lives in Minneapolis. Thank you for posting your experiences and perceptions on here. I think they are well-balanced and I, for one, appreciate that a lot. 👍
 
Ray Marshall:
I really don’t know much about Regnum Christi or the Legionaries of Christ. I do get daily meditation prayers from the Legionaries in my email. There’s nothing wrong with those.

We all have different needs. Let’s all pray for each other.
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Thanks for the (name removed by moderator)ut. I agree…Let us pray for one another, and Our Bishops.
 
Why in the world would the Legionaries be banned??

I have never heard anything but great things about them**. I would like to see the Bishop go after some of these liberal religous groups that call them selfs sisters and nuns!!**. They are rampant here in Detroit and I know I read an article on Spirit Daily about a few in Minn. These orders are truly out of control and nothing but a Catholic atom bomb.

On a side note until I started coming to this site and really got read up on the Rainbow Sash people, I always thought and read Bishop Flynn was an Orthodox good Bishop.
 
Men like Abp. Flynn should not be placed in the hierarchy where he can cause scandal and confusion amongst his flock.

It would probably be prudent to go a step further and say Flynn’s type should not be admitted to the priesthood.

Sometimes I am not certain whether Rome fiddles while St. Paul & Minneapolis burns or the other way around; it would seem the candle burns at both ends.
 
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solanus:
Why in the world would the Legionaries be banned??

I have never heard anything but great things about them**. I would like to see the Bishop go after some of these liberal religous groups that call them selfs sisters and nuns!!**. They are rampant here in Detroit and I know I read an article on Spirit Daily about a few in Minn. These orders are truly out of control and nothing but a Catholic atom bomb.

On a side note until I started coming to this site and really got read up on the Rainbow Sash people, I always thought and read Bishop Flynn was an Orthodox good Bishop.
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Not to be too simplistic about it, but don’t you suppose the Archbishop is just plain opposed to the Legionaries because he leans liberal and they lean conservative/orthodox? And perhaps he doesn’t want faithful to have access to a more orthodox presentation of the faith. He wants them to hear only his version wherein gay communion is a thumbs up, but “The Passion of the Christ” movie is problematic…
 
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Confiteor:
Don’t you suppose the Archbishop is just plain opposed to the Legionaries because he leans liberal and they lean conservative/orthodox?
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Until you have the courage to call things what they are, you cannot take one step towards a solution. 30 years ago it made sense to divide issues along conservative and liberal lines. But no more. Now liberality is just a euphemism for immorality.

Ergo, liberal Bishops are evil bishops. It is that simple. With a little practice you can bring yourself to say it. Repeat after me: “Liberal Bishops are evil bishops.” There, you’ve taken your first step towards a solution.

Our reacting to evil must necessarily be qualitatively different than our reaction to respectable political differences. It’s about time Catholics started reacting differently. – Sincerely, Albert Cipriani the Traditional Catholic
 
Catholic29 - We all feel for you and your diocease. It is not much better where I live, Detroit. What must we do to remove him?

Do we make non stop calls to Cardinal Ratzinger? Write letters non-stop to the Pope? All kidding aside, what must we do??
 
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