What is Islam?

[RyanL]

The injil was only meant for the people of that time peroid and nation. Jesus(as) was only sent to these people to bring them back to the teaching of/laws of Musa(as), the 10 commandments etc. He was only sent to that nation to bring them back to the truth anything after that is made is incorrect. [bold added]

Fatuma,

The thing is, we have a plethora of documents surviving intact from that time period and nation, and they all say the same thing as our New Testament - or at least the New Testament as understood by the Catholic Church. Here’s a link to some of them: earlychristianwritings.com/

If Jesus was meant to teach these people, He must have been the worst prophet to ever walk the face of the earth, seeing as how they all mis-understood Him in exactly the same way! Don’t you find that just a little odd?

Is your opinion of the “second greatest prophet” really that low, or are you willing to entertain the notion that…just possibly…on the fringe outskirts of reality…Jesus actually taught people that He is God?

Shalom,
RyanL

 

[Faith101]

Genesis315:

But why not? Why did the messages of the other prophets get messed up so soon, but not Muhammed’s message? It just seems inconsistent.

I mean, Chrstianity must have been messed up almost immediately according to Islam since evidence from the last 2000 years shows the Church has always taught the same thing over that period.

Hey Genesis315

You are talking about the Catholic Church? B/c there are a bunch of other Churches that teach different things…according to my Christian friends. Please correct me if i’m wrong

 

[exoflare]

Faith101:

Hey Genesis315

You are talking about the Catholic Church? B/c there are a bunch of other Churches that teach different things…according to my Christian friends. Please correct me if i’m wrong

Yeah, they were started afterwards.

 

[Genesis315]

Faith101:

Hey Genesis315

You are talking about the Catholic Church? B/c there are a bunch of other Churches that teach different things…according to my Christian friends. Please correct me if i’m wrong

I’m talking about the religion of Catholic Christianity, which has been taught consistently for 2000 years. Christ’s true teaching, according to Muslims, was lost in error almost immediately, yet this alleged error has lasted 2000 years intact. Weird.

Islam cannot trace a consistent teaching that long. Even though Muslims claim it is the same religion as that of Abraham, etc., it supposedly goes into error over and over so the true religion ceases to exist over and over–until modern (meaning Muhammed and after) Islam comes along and somehow doesn’t go into error. I don’t know, it just seems strange.

 

[manx]

fatuma:

The injil was only meant for the people of that time peroid and nation. Jesus(as) was only sent to these people to bring them back to the teaching of/laws of Musa(as), the 10 commandments etc. He was only sent to that nation to bring them back to the truth anything after that is made is incorrect.

wa salam

Hi Fatuma,

Are you saying that Jesus Christ was only sent for the Jews? Can you prove this please ?

Thanks,

manx

 

[Booklover]

fatuma:

The injil was only meant for the people of that time peroid and nation. Jesus(as) was only sent to these people to bring them back to the teaching of/laws of Musa(as), the 10 commandments etc. He was only sent to that nation to bring them back to the truth anything after that is made is incorrect.

wa salam

How do you know that Jesus was only to the people and nation of that time? He told the Apostles to: Go and make disciples of all the NATIONS, baptize them in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit (Here’s a reference of the Trinity) and teach them to observe all the commands I gave you.

Does that sound to you that He meant it only for the people of his time?

 

[Booklover]

fatuma:

The reason why there were so many prophets and messenger sent to people was because they kept messing up the pervious message that was sent to them.

How do you know that former prophets kept messing up the previous message? I would say that their message was very consistent. If you believe that former messengers didn’t know what they were doing, that sounds like God doesn’t know what He’s doing either, correct, sending us such inept people.

I don’t understand the concepts of Satan in Christianity. In Islam Satan has no power at all. The only thing he can do is use your weakness against you and whisper into your heart to love this world and forget about God.
“There is no power or might greater than the power and might of God”
La Hawla wa la quwwat illla billah

wa salam

We agree that God is the source of all good. We believe that Satan is the source of all evil. He is the one behind all the evil in the world, all the atrocities committed. He is the exact opposite of God and he loves nothing more than to guide people into sin, especially serious sins so that people will be damned. He’s always out there to catch the unwary. Don’t understimate the power of evil, it’s considerable, but God, the source of all goodness is the greatest power of all!

 

[Booklover]

Faith101:

So, we believe that they recieved revelation…however God has only promised to protect and preserve the Quran…while the other scriptures have man-made additions/subtractions. SO we only follow the Quran.

What proof do you have that God promised only to protect and preserve the Qur’an?? Because Mohammed said so???

 

[shamsery]

manx:

Hi Shams,

Welcome. I am also a newcomer here trying to learn from the Muslims what Islam is all about. Please share whatever you have.

shalom,

manx

Thank you very much, Respected manx,
I didn’t think that the thread would run so fast.
Yes, I shall try to exchange my views and idea with every one.

 

[shamsery]

RyanL:

Again, I am asking for clarification - I have seen other Muslims disrespect the Christian Holy Books (Injil) and state that “it is full of falsehoods”,

Respected RyanL,
I apologize for my incompetence.
I shall try to express me in small segment and solicit your patience.

**The instruction of Holy Quran is mandatory for Muslim.

What is the instruction?

Quran says: “Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion”109:6

Any Muslim bound to obey that instruction without any question and confusion. **

 

[Booklover]

In one post, Fatuma made the comment that “Muslims try to love what God loves, and try to hate what God hates”. I replied that God only hates sin, and asked what she meant by “what God hates”. I’ve never got a reply.

Can anyone enlighten us on that remark?

 

[Booklover]

shamsery:

Respected RyanL,

**Quran says: “Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion”109:6 **

If that is so, then why do Muslims want to “convert” the whole world to Islam? That doesn’t sound very consistent. Or does that only apply to those who want to convert Muslims?

 

[shamsery]

RyanL:

“To believe in the previous holy books as long as they don’t disagree with the Qur’an - If they do, they are obviously** lies.**”? RyanL

Respected RyanL,
Religion is based on faith.
Faith is the guiding force of any religion.
This is absolutely internal matter.
Faith differs from man to man, society to society, community to community.
Small phrase, many man many mind.
In a civilized society, we must be careful to choose the words before comments.
It is true that any thing antagonistic to the sprit of Holly Qur’an we don’t agree or don’t follow.
Among Muslims, there is no confusion about the revelation of Holly Injil( Bible) on Hazrat Issa (Jesus).
We don’t want to say the present version of you Holly Bible is lies.
Specifically, I would like to expunge the word Lie from our discussion.
As we the Muslim believe that Holly Qur’an is the latest revelation from Allah to Holly Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh) and it is the chronological end of revelation, or latest up dated revelation, all the previous 3 holly books has been included here in Holly Qur’an.
From the Islamic point of view all the holly (Other 3 books) books has been merged in Holly Qur’an.
So Islam invites the mankind to embrace the latest religion.
Could I make me clear to you please?

 

[shamsery]

**If that is so, then why do Muslims want to “convert” the whole world to Islam? : **

Where did you get this thesis?

All ready I have humbly expressed my incompetence.
What Respected Fatuma said is a big issue, I believe.
Core of the philosophy, I assume.
He/She know better than me.

But Respected Booklover,
I am little confused with your question.
We are exchanging our thoughts, ideas, and findings here with you.
If in course of our communication, you convince me or invite me to follow the straight path, should I say, you want that I should follow your advice or directives?
Key word “Want to convert”.
No one can convert other to Muslim.

 

[Booklover]

shamsery:

Where did you get this thesis?

All ready I have humbly expressed my incompetence.
What Respected Fatuma said is a big issue, I believe.
Core of the philosophy, I assume.
He/She know better than me.

But Respected Booklover,
I am little confused with your question.
We are exchanging our thoughts, ideas, and findings here with you.
If in course of our communication, you convince me or invite me to follow the straight path, should I say, you want that I should follow your advice or directives?
Key word “Want to convert”.
No one can convert other to Muslim.

Sorry if I confused you! I just meant that I read somewhere that since Muslims believe Islam is the only true religion, they want the whole world to become Muslim. Does that make it a little clearer for you?

 

[shamsery]

Booklover:

Sorry if I confused you! I just meant that I read somewhere that since Muslims believe Islam is the only true religion, they want the whole world to become Muslim. Does that make it a little clearer for you?

Respected Booklover,
Just an example,
In UK, none can think to travel train without ticket.
In Bangladesh, except few Trains (Some express train only) none travel by train with a ticket.
Ticket gives legitimacy to the traveler to travel.
Ticket is the symbol of truth.
If you visit Bangladesh and wish, let the people follow the right path, is that any offence?
I believe, that is not any offence rather your gesture of nobility and respect to the law.
Similarly , if a Muslim(as per his believe) wish you to follow the right path , or buy ticket for the true journey to the destiny, do feel that he is doing any wrong or harm to you?

 

[r.gonzales]

greetings.

RyanL:

I have a question about pillar number four…do you really believe in the previous holy books? Or would it better be stated “To believe in the previous holy books as long as they don’t disagree with the Qur’an - If they do, they are obviously lies.”? Again, I am asking for clarification - I have seen other Muslims disrespect the Christian Holy Books (Injil) and state that “it is full of falsehoods”, so I am now asking for what is really meant by Pillar Number Four. If it actually were as simple as is written, I don’t think the other Muslims would have said such things…
I also have a question about Pillar Number Six, as to whether or not God is the source of all evil…but for now let’s stick to Pillar Four.

first, let me say that the answer to your question, “do you really believe in the previous holy books?” is yes. it is part of muslim faith to believe in all the books that were revealed and the truth that remains in them.

secondly, let me clear up a great misconception that many people - including many muslims - have. and that is that the injeel (which many have translated to be the gospel) that was revealed to jesus is still found in today’s bible. the bible is a compilation of various books; from the revealed books named by Allah in the Quran, it is said to include the tawrah (torah), injeel (gospel) and the zaboor (psalms). it also contains various other books written by various different authors.

today’s bible contains 4 gospels according to four different authors, whose identities aren’t entirely clear or known. they are an historical account of jesus’ life and ministry, where as the gospel that muslims believe was revealed to jesus was a book of guidance and light, confirming the tawrah. it was revealed as guidance and admonition to those fearing Allah, just as Allah says in the Quran, “and We followed them up with jesus, son of mry, confirming what was before them of the torah and We gave him the injeel containing guidance and light, confirming what was before them of the torah, a guidance and admonition for the God-fearing.” (5:46).

its safe to say then, that the gospel that was revealed to jesus is not in today’s bible.

manx:

Are you saying that Jesus Christ was only sent for the Jews? Can you prove this please ?

Allah says in the Quran, “and [We made him] a messenger to the children of israel [saying]: that i have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that i will create for you from clay, like the shape of a bird. then i will breathe into it and it will become a bird by Allah’s permission.” (3:49).

Booklover:

What proof do you have that God promised only to protect and preserve the Qur’an?? Because Mohammed said so???

not because prophet muhammad said so, but because Allah promised to do so in the Quran where He says, “indeed We sent down the reminder (i.e., the Quran) and indeed We are certainly guardians of it.” (15:9).

shamsery:

Respected RyanL,
**The instruction of Holy Quran is mandatory for Muslim.

What is the instruction?

Quran says: “Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion”109:6 **

Any Muslim bound to obey that instruction without any question and confusion.

this is not the correct understanding of this verse and directly contradicts Allah’s command to prophet muhammad in the Quran to call to the way of his Lord with the wisdom and beautiful admonition, “call to the way of your Lord with the wisdom and the beautiful admonition and argue with them with that which is better. indeed your Lord is more knowledgeable of whoever strayed from His way and He is more knowledgeable of the guided.” (16:125).

my advise to you bro shamsery is to verify with the books of tafseer if your understanding of certain verses are correct or not.

peace.

 

[Booklover]

shamsery:

Respected Booklover,
Just an example,
In UK, none can think to travel train without ticket.
In Bangladesh, except few Trains (Some express train only) none travel by train with a ticket.
Ticket gives legitimacy to the traveler to travel.
Ticket is the symbol of truth.
If you visit Bangladesh and wish, let the people follow the right path, is that any offence?
I believe, that is not any offence rather your gesture of nobility and respect to the law.
Similarly , if a Muslim(as per his believe) wish you to follow the right path , or buy ticket for the true journey to the destiny, do feel that he is doing any wrong or harm to you?

No, he is not doing any harm to me, but we believe in freedom of religion and as a Catholic I believe that the Catholic Church is the true religion.

 

[exoflare]

r.gonzales:

its safe to say then, that the gospel that was revealed to jesus is not in today’s bible.

I wonder what happened to this elusive gospel of Jesus. Maybe you’ll find it in New York, together with Joseph Smith’s lost golden tablets?

 

[Booklover]

r.gonzales:

greetings.

today’s bible contains 4 gospels according to four different authors, whose identities aren’t entirely clear or known.

Have you never heard of: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?

its safe to say then, that the gospel that was revealed to jesus is not in today’s bible.

Excuse me for saying this, but I’ve never heard such poppycock!

not because prophet muhammad said so, but because Allah promised to do so in the Quran where He says, “indeed We sent down the reminder (i.e., the Quran) and indeed We are certainly guardians of it.” (15:9).

Well, that may be what you believe, but it’s not what I believe!

peace.