What is Jesus Christ doing in the Catholic Church?

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As I look into the content of various threads, it seems quite clear what individuals and groups are doing or striving for in the Church.

There is much quibling or “straining the gnat” over every subject under the sun…
I see only a few instances of what Jesus is doing or evidence that He is Building His Church as He promised.
I know my understanding is limitted, so…
Does anyone know the meaning of;

**“Unless The Lord build a house, they who build it labour in vain…”

“The letter of the law kills, but it is The Spirit that gives life.”

“He who loses his life for my sake and for the Gospel’s sake will find it .
He who is not gathering with me is scattering.”

Prove that you are doers of the word and not merely hearers only,
for if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer…
he deceives himself."

I have come to cast fire upon the Earth, and how I wish it were already enkindled." **

You can always identify a disciple on fire for Christ…

(1)…He loves and understands The Apostolic Message.
(2)…He Loves the Fellowship in The Holy Spirit.
(3)…He Loves and is possessed by the Spirit and Power of The Eucharist.
(4)… He is a living witness because of The Spirit of Christ who Abides in him.

Phil. 3: 7-10-16…is the True FORM …That The Spirit forms us into.

gusano
 
I may be wrong, but I don’t think the scriptures in the Bible are to all be taken literally. Most of the Bible is written in parables, we are to read between the lines a lot of the time I think.
 
My personal interpretations.

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“Unless The Lord build a house, they who build it labour in vain…”
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Do what you do for the Lord, not for yourself.
“The letter of the law kills, but it is The Spirit that gives life.”
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The law itself does not give salvation. Rather, we follow the law because we love God, and the Spirit leads us through to law to God.
“He who loses his life for my sake and for the Gospel’s sake will find it .
He who is not gathering with me is scattering.”
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Serve the Lord! Cuz if you don’t, you’re not being very helpful…
Prove that you are doers of the word and not merely hearers only,
for if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer…
he deceives himself."
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Live your faith. Don’t be satisfied just knowing what you believe and not doing anythign about it. Faith is a call to action.
I have come to cast fire upon the Earth, and how I wish it were already enkindled."
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God wants the world to seek him in fullness!**

All of these pretty much speak of the same thing: God is calling us to truely believe that which he tells us, because the true believer will act on his faith (James 2:14). They who truly believe will not look back, but give everything over to serving God.

Are you trying to point out that many Catholics do not live this call, and are just “Sunday” Catholics who don’t live their faith at all? Well, sad to admit, we are guilty as charged. But do not judge the church by those who do not listen to it, but by those who earnestly seek and follow its teachings!

May the Spirit come down as a living flame, igniting the hearts of men and setting the world ablaze for Himself! To God be all glory, now and forever!

Josh
 
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gusano:
There is much quibling or “straining the gnat” over every subject under the sun…
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Sad, but true.:hmmm:
  • Kathie :bowdown:
 
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gusano:
There is much quibling or “straining the gnat” over every subject under the sun…
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This is true of many churches today not simply Catholics.
 
Lorrie said:
I may be wrong, but I don’t think the scriptures in the Bible are to all be taken literally. Most of the Bible is written in parables, we are to read between the lines a lot of the time I think.
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O.K. Lorrie,
What is The Holy Spirit saying to you between the lines ?
in any of these or other Scriptures.

God Bless

gusano
 
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gusano:
As I look into the content of various threads, it seems quite clear what individuals and groups are doing or striving for in the Church.

There is much quibling or “straining the gnat” over every subject under the sun…
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Geez OH Pete, you do understand that this is a discussion forum, right?
What did you expect to go on here? A bunch of happy satisfied Catholics coming in and saying, “I love it. Life is good.”?
It wouldn’t be much of a forum

No, this is the place where we air our concerns and look for reasonable solutions.
The place where people can tell us we are being unreasonable and we won’t be too angry.
The place where people can let frustrations out.
The place where we can find others who feel like we do so we know we are not alone.
Where people can tell us we are being too sensitive, so we can laugh at ourselves.
Or we can secretly throw our eyes up to the ceiling at how conservative or liberal someone is (take your pick)
Where we can learn the reason why someone is soooo militant about certain innovative gestures or traditional postures. Maybe we can understand, or maybe still think it’s beyond comprehension.
Where we can learn that the one thing the church is not offering us any more is clear guidance on many things or a Holy Mass that could please everyone, which is impossible. (although offering one modern and one traditional at each parish would solve tons)

Jesus gave us free will to act like sodden brats sometimes.
Thank God Catholic Answers is here so we don’t act like that in our parishes.
This forum is doing exactly what it is suppose to do.
 
I guess I don’t understand the question.

What is Jesus Christ doing in the Catholic Church? Uh, I mean, what ISN’T He doing?

He is doing just exactly what He said He would. The Holy Spirit is doing exactly what He said He would. And all of us members of the Body of Christ in the church He instituted are trying to do exactly what He wants us to. . .with greater or lesser degrees of success for every individual at any given time.

What more do you want to know?
 
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gusano:
O.K. Lorrie,
What is The Holy Spirit saying to you between the lines ?
in any of these or other Scriptures.

God Bless

gusano
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Sigh. #1 I think most will agree with me that a lot of the scriptures in the Bible are written in parables. #2 You chose my post out of the 5 others to reply to? threej_lc makes a better argument than me, responding to him/her would probably be a lot more productive. #3 Shouldn’t this topic be in the “sacred scriptures” forum?

My thoughts? I think you start these threads to get people fired up - then when they disagree with you you come across as pompous and all knowing. Its rather sad. I’ll keep you in my prayers, praying that God cuts your pride into 1/2 of what it is right now.
 
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threej_lc:
Are you trying to point out that many Catholics do not live this call, and are just “Sunday” Catholics who don’t live their faith at all? Well, sad to admit, we are guilty as charged. But do not judge the church by those who do not listen to it, but by those who earnestly seek and follow its teachings!

May the Spirit come down as a living flame, igniting the hearts of men and setting the world ablaze for Himself! To God be all glory, now and forever!

Josh
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Thanks for your post Josh,
I am not trying to make my fellow Catholics feel guilty.
I am interested in learning What Jesus is doing in the Church.
Maybe I am just irritating many people !

I mean,
If You knew Jesus held a debate with three people in your parish today… wouldn’t you want to know about it ?
or participate in it ?
If some one came out of Mass, having all his sins forgiven today, wouldn’t you want to hear about it ?
Wouldn’t you want the same experience ?
or would you focus your attention on the lady who sings too loud,
or the man who raises his hands during “Lift up your hearts” and
you don’t know if he does it to draw attention to himself or if he is worshiping God who he believes is present there ?
I don’t know…
Maybe we are afraid of examine closely our response to God as Psalm 139 or 2 Cor. 13: 5 asks.
and say;
"Everything is fine…let us talk about something of less importance "

gusano
 
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harinkj:
Sad, but true.:hmmm:
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Aaahhhhhhh !
Thanks Katie,

Some one else feels that same…**“how I WISH !”

"I have come to cast fire upon the Earth and how I wish…
it were already ignited ! " **

Luke 12: 49

gusano
 
I think that gusano has a point. We want a good liturgy but my goodness, the stuff we argue about on this forum. God must just look down at us from heaven and laugh. I can imagine him asking why we don’t focus on real problems like priest sex abuse scandals and liberals seminaries.
 
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Topher:
I think that gusano has a point. We want a good liturgy but my goodness, the stuff we argue about on this forum. God must just look down at us from heaven and laugh. I can imagine him asking why we don’t focus on real problems like priest sex abuse scandals and liberals seminaries.
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Could you be describing Homer Simpson, instead ?

😃

gusano
 
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Topher:
sorry. I don’t get ur joke. must not have been that funny.
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Sorry about the bad joke…
It is just that I can not imagine God wishing we would discuss pedophile priests and liberal seminaries.
Since He calls us all to be Holy, …
and knowledge about abominations has never made anyone Holy.

"As for lewd conduct or promiscuousness or lust of any sort, let them not even be mentioned among you;
your holiness forbids this." (Eph. 5: 3)

gusano
 
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gusano:
Sorry about the bad joke…
It is just that I can not imagine God wishing we would discuss pedophile priests and liberal seminaries.
Since He calls us all to be Holy, …
and knowledge about abominations has never made anyone Holy.

"As for lewd conduct or promiscuousness or lust of any sort, let them not even be mentioned among you;
your holiness forbids this." (Eph. 5: 3)

gusano
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Maybe you missed the point. I meant that it should be disscussed in the spirit of finding a solution. Not for the fun of the discussion as St. Paul seems to be pointing out here. My point was that pedophile priests and liberal seminaries are much more serious problems than whether or not some one holds hand with some one else during the Our Father.
 
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Topher:
Maybe you missed the point. I meant that it should be disscussed in
the spirit of finding a solution.
Not for the fun of the discussion as St. Paul seems to be pointing out here.
My point was that pedophile priests and liberal seminaries are much more
serious problems
than whether or not some one holds hand with some one else during the Our Father.
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Well Topher,
I suppose you are focussed on finding solutions to serious problems…
While my problem is; how to seek first The Kingdom of God and His righteousness.
I figure if I don’t settle that requirement…nothing else matters.

gusano
 
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Coder:
This thread being a perfect example. 😉 😛 🙂
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Thanks for that refreshing bit of wonderful wisdom Coder,

If it were not for The Holy Spirit,
We would all be melted down into one gray mass of humanity,
and, at best, end up as gray “parking lot” pavement.

God Bless,

gusano
 
Nothing the matter with straining the gnat as long as you don’t swallow the camel.
 
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