What is keeping Orthodox and Lutherans from unifying?

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Memaw said:
I have a strong feeling there’s more to it than that.God Bless, Memaw
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Here is the original quote from the Personal Ordinariate of OLOW website:

“On Ash Wednesday 2011, around 900 laity and clergy of the Church of England ceased public ministry in the Anglican Communion and began a forty day period of preparation to be received into the full communion of the Catholic Church.”

ordinariate.org.uk/history
 
They do not want to unify-really 2 main denominations of Lutherans the MS and the Evangelical Lutheran church-Female Priests in the Evangelical Lutheran Church = no union with Orthodox ever

I do think it is likely the Lutheran and the Episcopal Church may unify-already a few combined denominations and can share Clergy

Th:cool:e Orthodox and the Episcopal Church were fairly close till females clergy this = no union ever with Orthodox
 
concretecamper said:
There have been a few threads about Papal supremecy and jurisdiction. The Lutheran and Orthodox contingents are untied on this issue. So…what is keeping the Orthodox and Lutheran from uniting? Is it because the roots of Lutherism is from Rome? From reading some very good posts, it appears there is VERY little differences?
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Good question. But are you perhaps exaggerating just a bit? One could (and some have I believe) start a thread saying almost exactly the same, but substituting “Catholicism” for “Lutheranism”. That is, we could say: What is keeping the Orthodox and Catholics from uniting, when there is *very *little differences?
 
Peter_J said:
Good question. But are you perhaps exaggerating just a bit? One could (and some have I believe) start a thread saying almost exactly the same, but substituting “Catholicism” for “Lutheranism”. That is, we could say: What is keeping the Orthodox and Catholics from uniting, when there is *very *little differences?
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Both Lutherans and Orthodox reject the Pope. This is a huge similarity!
 
KP3243 said:
I have seen on the Journey Home that Anglicans who are not Catholic, seem to think they are Catholics by calling themselves Anglo-Catholics and they believe they are somehow in communion with Rome. It is bizarre and the Englishman who was the convert even said it probably doesn’t make sense to anyone else. Anyone know what that is about?
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Are you sure he wasn’t talking about the “Anglo-Papalists” (a small subset of Anglo-Catholics)?

P.S. For the sake of completeness, there’s another (also very small) subset of Anglo-Catholics known as “Anglo-Orthodox”. Basically they are to Orthodoxy what the “Anglo-Papalists” are to Rome. 😉
 
concretecamper said:
Both Lutherans and Orthodox reject the Pope. This is a huge similarity!
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The Catholics and the Orthodox both have the same Faith, same Apostolic Succession, same Sacraments and the Orthodox are not in heresy but only in schism. That’s a HUGE similarity. It would be so much easier for them to be reunited with the Catholic Church than any of the others. Pope John Paul II referred to that unity as the Church breathing with both lungs. God Bless, Memaw
 
Peter_J said:
Are you sure he wasn’t talking about the “Anglo-Papalists” (a small subset of Anglo-Catholics)?

P.S. For the sake of completeness, there’s another (also very small) subset of Anglo-Catholics known as “Anglo-Orthodox”. Basically they are to Orthodoxy what the “Anglo-Papalists” are to Rome. 😉
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I’ll bet the answer is no.

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the Anglican Church is I believe still considered **schismatic **-the ECUSA is for the moment still a part of the Anglican communion

The Orthodox do not “reject” the Bishop of Rome-but consider Him first among equals-

as for the Episcopal Church -the Pope is recognized as a Holy and wisdom filled Human Being -

Our presiding Bishop is Katherine Schorri -at least more orthodox than Bishops Pike or Sponge
 
GKC said:
I’ll bet the answer is no.

GKC
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Well maybe, but Anglo-Papalism has a certain fascination for us Catholics. (Notwithstanding the fact that it can be a confusing … I may have mentioned before that I used to think that all Anglo-Catholics were Anglo-Papalists.)
 
Peter_J said:
Well maybe, but Anglo-Papalism has a certain fascination for us Catholics. (Notwithstanding the fact that it can be a confusing … I may have mentioned before that I used to think that all Anglo-Catholics were Anglo-Papalists.)
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I think you did. But in the context of the post, I doubt that was what was actually said. Anglo-Papalism is a miniscule part of Anglicanism, mainly found in England. OTOH, I have often found folk who are unfamiliar with the Anglo-Catholic term who might have assumed they were claiming communion with Rome. And one might also consider if somehow the reference was to folks in the Ordinariate.

I wasn’t there, can’t say.

GKC
 
Memaw said:
The Catholics and the Orthodox both have the same Faith, same Apostolic Succession, same Sacraments and the Orthodox are not in heresy but only in schism. That’s a HUGE similarity. It would be so much easier for them to be reunited with the Catholic Church than any of the others. Pope John Paul II referred to that unity as the Church breathing with both lungs. God Bless, Memaw
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That is the Catholic view of things, certainly, but it is not the Orthodox view.
 
Nine_Two said:
And yet the Catholic Church has united with Protestants who it explicitly doesn’t believe have Holy Orders quite recently (as have we Orthodox).

If there is any doubt about Holy Orders they are easy enough to bestow in the face of unity. All you need is a bishop.
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Right; in the same way, for a “group without valid orders” to become Catholic, there is no problem *if *they are willing to go along with our take on the matter (i.e. reordination).
 
benjohnson said:
Frankly, If there’s one non-catholic that understands what the Catholic Church teaches about the Eucharist, it would be JonNC.
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Wait, JonNC is non-Catholic?

Um, I mean … I knew that. Of course I knew that. Who doesn’t?
 
Peter_J said:
Wait, JonNC is non-Catholic?

Um, I mean … I knew that. Of course I knew that. Who doesn’t?
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If JonNC truly understood what the Catholic Church believes about the Holy Eucharist, he would become a Catholic It’s because he just thinks he understands that prevents his conversion. The truth is the truth whether he believes it or not. He can’t change that no matter what.God Bless, Memaw
 
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