What is Marriage?

[Reuben_J]

None of which would include same sex though (A very right winged one might).

Your definatly correct though Reuben J, thats what got us into this mess in the first place I think, people keep dropping the bar on marriage and ultimatley society will be the worse off for it.

Some very good original information there, josh.:thumbsup:The CCC is quite standard. There are probably other good sources about Catholic marriage though that might be easier for non-Catholics to understand. I am not too sure but probably the OP is also interested in annulment which is an uniquely Catholic’s feature.

I am wary about discussing marriage in an inter-religous setting, simply because like you said, there seems to be no limit as to what a marriage is. A watered down of the sanctity and permanence of marriage would definitely negatively affect the society at large.

 

[MartinJordan]

Continued from above post -

Superficially same sex marriage looks like the christian thing to advocate, because it’s in a severe missunderstanding of Christian “Love.” but fundamentally it is the work of the father of all lies to decieve children of good will and spread sexual immorality amongst us like never before.

Fornication and promiscuity are advocated through the same reasoning as the sexual acts of homosexuality are, which is “If both consent to it and it’s not hurting anyone else than whats wrong with it?”

Thus the father of all lies convinces people that sexual immorality is no longer immoral and the truth is rejected and our lust is embraced.

It is the work of satan that is trying to tell people that love is all the same so that they will indirectly include “Love of Eros” in Chirsitan love. It is his lies that are trying to make out that we are denying homosexuals true love.

We are not denying homosexuals true love, the most important kind of love, the only love that bears any real fruit and that is the “Love of Agape.” We should all aspire to the “Love of Agape” Including homosexuals and no one should deny such love for anyone. But it is not an easy love, it involves the rejection of self. Not the embracement of self through lust.

We are denying homosexuals corrupted love, the love that satan has to offer us, the one that is filled with lust, the one that is filled with selfishness and self gratification, it is the love that bears sour fruit in which humans desire to be drunk on, there is nothing selfless about it and it leaves us for despair when missused, it’s the “Love of Eros.”

Love of Agape: Agape is used in the biblical passage known as the “love chapter,” 1 Corinthians 13, and is described there and throughout the New Testament as sacrificial love. Agape is also used in ancient texts to denote feelings for one’s children and the feelings for a spouse, and it was also used to refer to a love feast. It can also be described as the feeling of being content or holding one in high regard. Agape was used by Christians to express the unconditional love of God.

Love of Eros: is passionate love, with sensual desire and longing.

Note: these are the arguments I have been using to oppose same sex marriage, I hope they will help you.

Thank you for reading
Josh

No Josh. Thank YOU.

Wonderful and Godly points all around!

Godbless you:harp:

MJ

 

[josh987654321]

Thank you for your replies.

God Bless.

 

[MartinJordan]

Thank you for your replies.

God Bless.

I really appreciate this part :

We are not denying homosexuals true love, the most important kind of love, the only love that bears any real fruit and that is the "Love of Agape." We should all aspire to the “Love of Agape” Including homosexuals and no one should deny such love for anyone. But it is not an easy love, it involves the rejection of self. Not the embracement of self through lust.

We are denying homosexuals corrupted love, the love that satan has to offer us, the one that is filled with lust, the one that is filled with selfishness and self gratification, it is the love that bears sour fruit in which humans desire to be drunk on, there is nothing selfless about it and it leaves us for despair when missused, it’s the “Love of Eros.”

:clapping:

MJ

 

[mtolympus]

With all this debate and discussion in the world about gay “marriage”, I feel that we as the Church have been on the backfoot instead of actually clearly laying out what Christian marriage is and means in its fullness. So, I ask you, what is Marriage?

For thousands of years the following words from the Holy Scriptures have been a guide and foundation for society. These twenty-two words are the definition of marriage:

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. (KJV Gen. 2:24)

The Pharisees came to Jesus tempting him with a question about marriage and divorce. He simply referred them to the scriptures saying: “Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female?” Then, after quoting the above passage from Genesis, he added: “What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.” (KJV Matt. 19:5-6)

 

[pablope]

Perhaps you should tell that to the Defender of the Bond, the losingest lawyer in the world.

He is not a lawyer…The Bull “Dei Miseratione” requires that in each diocese the ordinary shall appoint a defender of marriage, upright in character, and learned in the law, an ecclesiastic if possible, a layman if necessary.

newadvent.org/cathen/04675a.htm

And it is not a matter of keeping tabs, keeping score of who the winners and losers are…it is a matter of defending the sacrament of marriage.

 

[ConstantineTG]

I brought up Leviticus 18:22 to show that in the time period when “revelation” was written, the sexual acts of homosexuality was labelled as “abomination” which is mentioned several times in revelation.

Now I am not saying that it is the end of the world or anything, but the more sexually immoral our society becomes, the closer this will be and those who are in favor of same sex marriage are advocating it.

Same sex relationships existed in the First Century. This is why St. Paul writes against it so many times. This is not anything new. such acts have always been there. The notion of "marriage"only came about because of the modern legal benefits given to married couples. But back in the day because there were no legal benefits, men with men, or women with women, just go at it.