What is mind and where did it come from?

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inocente said:
Thank you.

As the only posters opposing Feser are Bradski, blase6 and me, are you saying we are not the doubting worms you referred to? Which posters, then, were you calling worms?

You can either admit you see why I reacted that way, or you can name the specific posters you called worms, but you may want to take the fifth here bro. 😉

Not sure why you said bullying there.

You admitted you hadn’t read Turing’s paper but instead just took Feser’s word for it, then you called persons unknown, doubting, disbelieving worms for not taking Feser’s word for it. “No topic is safe in some quarters except doubt, disbelief, and relativism” you said. As if we’re irreligious for not acknowledging Feser as a prophet.

So rewind. Do you think the Apostle’s Creed should be amended to add “I believe in Aristotle’s metaphysics and Thomas’ philosophy”? If so, discuss. If not, then why not lay off calling others doubting, disbelieving worms for not accepting them as the word of God?
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I didn’t call anyone a " worm, " I just mentioned a fact that everyone acknowledges, some even post it as their belief identifier. I don’t think I need mention any names, that isn’t politic…

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inocente said:
I don’t know what else I can say to you. 🤷
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Thats OK :aok: We don’t don’t have to agree on everything, long as you realize I’m right. 😃

I think you missed the point with the future, my point is its irrelevant. 😛 Listen, if computers start mating and producing like species, what can I say if that brings world peace. On the other hand if they decide to eliminate the air we breath because it rusts their parts, well in light of the lack of spontaneous love and morality now, why should we assume the better?

I don’t see the point first of all to speculate, and in sequence there’s no reason to expect this idea of a computer camelot? What do ya think?
 
GaryTaylor said:
Thats OK :aok: We don’t don’t have to agree on everything, long as you realize I’m right. 😃

I think you missed the point with the future, my point is its irrelevant. 😛 Listen, if computers start mating and producing like species, what can I say if that brings world peace. On the other hand if they decide to eliminate the air we breath because it rusts their parts, well in light of the lack of spontaneous love and morality now, why should we assume the better?

I don’t see the point first of all to speculate, and in sequence there’s no reason to expect this idea of a computer camelot? What do ya think?
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Since 1965 and before, the power of computer processors has doubled every eighteen months, so according to my back of an envelope calculation, the latest processor today is around nine billion times more powerful. Next year the latest processor will be eighteen billion times more powerful and so on. Much the same happens with memory capacity, exponential growth. Meanwhile, computers are being taught to learn and evolve (see, for instance, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_algorithm), and to work in groups, etc. with immediate communication across the globe.

All this is in only around half a century since the invention of integrated circuits. So perhaps machines will never be able to think, but it would be a brave man who bets his life on that.

But imho the more interesting philosophical issue is the one raised by Turing – how would we know that machines can think? Whatever the future holds, that’s a question about the meaning of personhood. For instance, suppose there was a machine which appears to act as a person, with its own character and foibles and hopes and fears, then if we pull the plug, would that be murder? Would God infuse an (eternal) soul into a silicon entity, or what about a machine based on carbon, or even based on DNA, how do we know what (who) God does or doesn’t give a soul? And so on. Lots of questions which use the machine example to explore ethical issues.
 
inocente said:
But imho the more interesting philosophical issue is the one raised by Turing – how would we know that machines can think? Whatever the future holds, that’s a question about the meaning of personhood. For instance, suppose there was a machine which appears to act as a person, with its own character and foibles and hopes and fears, then if we pull the plug, would that be murder? Would God infuse an (eternal) soul into a silicon entity, or what about a machine based on carbon, or even based on DNA, how do we know what (who) God does or doesn’t give a soul? And so on. Lots of questions which use the machine example to explore ethical issues.
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I have to think about it, can a computer think about and get back to you at its own desired time? 😃
 
Linusthe2nd said:
I didn’t call anyone a " worm, " I just mentioned a fact that everyone acknowledges, some even post it as their belief identifier. I don’t think I need mention any names, that isn’t politic.
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Scarey-cat.

Not to beat a dead horse, but look up the etymology of your “all the skeptics suddenly jump out of the wood work” and you’ll find the phrase refers to insects coming out of floorboards, which includes woodworm.

But let us say no more on this sorry interlude. 😃
 
inocente said:
Scarey-cat.

Not to beat a dead horse, but look up the etymology of your “all the skeptics suddenly jump out of the wood work” and you’ll find the phrase refers to insects coming out of floorboards, which includes woodworm.

But let us say no more on this sorry interlude. 😃
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Hee, hee, I out did myself on another post. :bounce:

Linus2nd
 
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