What is more important

[alterserver_07]

I went to a parish and when they went around for collection, they had brass plates for the collection. Now for the Eucarist at this parish, they had a glass plate and for the Blood of Christ, they had glass or clay. Now it kinda makes you think what is more important to them. But my question is, is it serious enough to report to the bishop or should I just try talking to the priest?

 

[Michael_Welter]

I don’t get it. What’s the problem? Is there a violation of the GIRM here?

 

[alterserver_07]

The holder of Christ has to be in an unbreakable subsatnce. I don’t know about you, but God is so important that we should always have gold chalaces and plates(can’t think of real word for it so bear with me). If there was a time that you droped a glass bowl, it would break, now God does not desrve that.

 

[CatholicCid]

Glass and/or clay would be violating the GIRM I believe… As a Precious Metal or Precious Material should be used to hold the Holy Eucharist, under both Species…
As Glass/Clay can break or shatter easly and such…

Though, from the sounds of it, the poster is pondering how the Church, while it cannot provide a Precious Material to hold Our Lord and Savior after consecration, they were able to obtain Brass collection baskets to hold money.

 

[Michael_Welter]

OK, I see what you’re saying. I assume that wooden vessels are acceptable for communion, as that is most likely what Jesus used at the Last Supper.

 

[pm1853]

Michael Welter:

OK, I see what you’re saying. I assume that wooden vessels are acceptable for communion, as that is most likely what Jesus used at the Last Supper.

You know, i just don’t know. Definitely not for the Blood, I think that vessel should be non-porous, but for the Body? Something tells me probably not. I guess you could make the arguement for Precious material (ebony perhaps) but something tells me it probably wouldn’t fly with the GIRM.

 

[viktor_aleksndr]

Glass and Clay would violate the GIRM.

Wooden Chalice i think will do if the church is just starting or they have no large money to buy such precious metals.

But in your case

they had brass plates for the collection.

I think that your parish is capable of buying precious metals for the chalice etc. i think it would be better to ask the priest if it is possible to change the chalice etc. from glass to metal if they have enough fund to buy such.

 

[marty1818]

alterserver_07:

I went to a parish and when they went around for collection, they had brass plates for the collection. Now for the Eucarist at this parish, they had a glass plate and for the Blood of Christ, they had glass or clay. Now it kinda makes you think what is more important to them. But my question is, is it serious enough to report to the bishop or should I just try talking to the priest?

This is a liturgical abuse. Ask the priest why the parish is using vessels that are not of a precious metal. The use glass or clay vessels as being inappropriate is talked about in Redemptionis Sacramentum paragraph 117. Ask him nicely though. If this does not change his mind to use the appropriate vessels then you should talk to the bishop of the diocese in order to solve this problem.

matthew

 

[Michael_Welter]

pm1853:

You know, i just don’t know. Definitely not for the Blood, I think that vessel should be non-porous, but for the Body? Something tells me probably not. I guess you could make the arguement for Precious material (ebony perhaps) but something tells me it probably wouldn’t fly with the GIRM.

A wooden chalice can be made so it is not porous. It can be sanded quite smooth, then coated with a non-porous material. In such a case, I expect wood could be used. As I said, that’s probably what Jesus used.

 

[cargopilot]

alterserver_07:

The holder of Christ has to be in an unbreakable subsatnce. I don’t know about you, but God is so important that we should always have gold chalaces and plates(can’t think of real word for it so bear with me). If there was a time that you droped a glass bowl, it would break, now God does not desrve that.

I think the real word you’re looking for is ‘ciborium’.

I’m pretty sure that all the items in the ‘place setting’ are to be made of metal. Glass just will not do. I dont think it has to be of any precious metal, and I think silver-plate or even stainless-steel is common. I hope I’m right, 'cause that’s what we use. The collection baskets are wicker.

 

[mercygate]

alterserver_07:

The holder of Christ has to be in an unbreakable subsatnce. I don’t know about you, but God is so important that we should always have gold chalaces and plates(can’t think of real word for it so bear with me). If there was a time that you droped a glass bowl, it would break, now God does not desrve that.

*Redemptionis Sacramentum *does not say “unbreakable,” it says “do not break easily.” The crystal vessel advocates can claim with perfect assurance that glass “does not break easily.” Unless violence is done to it, glass (crystal) will last pretty much forever. We have examples from the pyramids. Note: the Church requires materials considered “noble in the common estimation,” not “ordinary” so I distinguish between glass and crystal. RS mentions glass as unacceptable but does not mention crystal. Now, I find it to be a niggling and ungenerous that a pastor would sidestep the clear intent of the document by distinguishing “precious” crystal from “common” glass. But if the USCCB has permitted glass/crystal, then the case would seem not worth the trouble.

Here is the relevant paragraph from Redemptionis Sacramentum, 117*.* It is a typical amoeba paragraph that you can’t pin down:

Sacred vessels for containing the Body and Blood of the Lord must be made in strict conformity with the norms of tradition and of the liturgical books.The Bishops’ Conferences have the faculty to decide whether it is appropriate, once their decisions have been given the recognitio by the Apostolic See, for sacred vessels to be made of other solid materials as well. It is strictly required, however, that such materials be truly noble in the common estimation within a given region,so that honour will be given to the Lord by their use, and all risk of diminishing the doctrine of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharistic species in the eyes of the faithful will be avoided. Reprobated, therefore, is any practice of using for the celebration of Mass common vessels, or others lacking in quality, or devoid of all artistic merit or which are mere containers, as also other vessels made from glass, earthenware, clay, or other materials that break easily. This norm is to be applied even as regards metals and other materials that easily rust or deteriorate.