What is More Offensive?

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Nudity or foul language?

And why must they be banned? Not everybody is offended by it, so why must those who are not offended be prevented from being exposed to it through some form of censorship?
 
Good answer. Like a certain rabbi (you know who you are) I know.

I would say nudity, if only because I have gotten so used to everyone using foul language, whereas nudity still results in sexual temptation.
 
Ok here goes. I find both equally reprehensible. They should be restricted because if you are affended you should not have to put up with it. If you desire it, you should have to seek it out. That way you still get your nudity, and I am not offended.
 
Starwynd said:
Nudity or foul language?

And why must they be banned? Not everybody is offended by it, so why must those who are not offended be prevented from being exposed to it through some form of censorship?
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Nudity. Most people have hideous bodies - & many are aggressively fat. Not plump, not overweight, but enormously vast.​

OTOH, everyone uses foul language - say certain words a few billion times, & they lose their offensiveness. Some of them are quite expressive; & some are very old. They are part of our heritage. Besides, only convention makes them offensive.
 
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Nudity. Most people have hideous bodies - & many are aggressively fat. Not plump, not overweight, but enormously vast.​

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OTOH, everyone uses foul language - say certain words a few billion times, & they lose their offensiveness. Some of them are quite expressive; & some are very old. They are part of our heritage. Besides, only convention makes them offensive.

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I’m going to approach this from a different angle. I would argue that foul language is more offensive, as there is never a context wherein it may be thought that foul language is anything other than foul. In other words, foul language is objectively bad (perhaps not always sinful, but still not a good thing). Nudity, on the other hand, can be a beautiful thing–if you think nudity is offensive, look at the Sistine Chapel and other Renaissance works of art which emphasized the beauty of the human form. God made the human body, and made it to be beautiful. Therefore, nudity in and of itself is not offensive. It all depends upon the context in which it is employed, and that in which it is received.

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Starwynd said:
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Why can’t we have both?

If I’m the subject, then definately nudity.

I have surround sound for the foul language and a large flat screen for the nudity.

I think homosexual nudity is more offensive than homosexual foul languae.

That’ about it for my one liners.
 
Both, I see no reason to allow either. Living in Belgium for two years it was common to be scanning the TV channels at 9PM and see full sex. There was a billboard down the street from my house that showed a women topless at age 20 and 45 and saying how drinking certain water would keep you young and looking young.

Certainly the existence of both is increasing in our society, but that does not make it right.
I really never say a bad word, my parents did not and I just don’t do it. I don’t care to see another man’s private shown, or even another womens for that fact. I struggle with primetime shows now.​
 
edward_george said:
I’m going to approach this from a different angle. I would argue that foul language is more offensive, as there is never a context wherein it may be thought that foul language is anything other than foul. In other words, foul language is objectively bad (perhaps not always sinful, but still not a good thing). Nudity, on the other hand, can be a beautiful thing–if you think nudity is offensive, look at the Sistine Chapel and other Renaissance works of art which emphasized the beauty of the human form. **God made the human body, and made it to be beautiful. **Therefore, nudity in and of itself is not offensive. It all depends upon the context in which it is employed, and that in which it is received.

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I was trying to form my thoughts for a post when I read this. Thank you edward_george.
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Context, context, context.
Who’s naked? When, where, why, how? Are people naked on TV just so Axe body spray can sell more cologne? Offensive (and not terribly clever). Are people naked in the museum because the artist thought that the human form was beautiful? Not offensive.

As for foul language…well, it is, by definition, foul. But, again, context here DOES matter. Hubby thinks no one is listening while he’s trying to fix the window and drops an F-bomb. Meh, I don’t like it, but I’m certainly not offended.

Personally, I used to say G-d-a-m-t alot. I swtiched it to God bless America and now everyone thinks I’m really patriotic.😉

So if I had to choose, I would say foul language is more offensive. Why didn’t you ask about violence? Certainly someone blowing off someone else’s head is pretty offensive, but lots of people love to watch it.

But I guess I wonder where you’re going with this question…are you not offended by nudity and foul language? Ever?
 
Starwynd said:
Nudity or foul language?

And why must they be banned? Not everybody is offended by it, so why must those who are not offended be prevented from being exposed to it through some form of censorship?
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In what context are you referring to? This forum?

I think most CAF members would like to log in to the forum with the confidence that we do not have to be concerned that our consciences will be assaulted with words or images that are not edifying to our souls.

Regarding nudity, not everyone is on the same page about that. As far as foul language, I would say that many on CAF have more delicate consciences than I. I can get by without it just fine; I’m certain I’m not missing a thing.

I know where to go to find pugnacious, earthy or colorful language. It doesn’t have to be here as well.
 
Here’s an example of what I mean:

The Sci-fi channel will often show a B grade horror movie during the weeknights. Often times it will censor a word. You can tell because there is a silent gap in the speech. For example, the guy could say something like “Oh he’s a stupid arse” but instead it will come out like "Oh he’s a stupid — : because some prude will get really upset at it and don’t want to hear in complete disregard of those who are not offended by hearing the word. It’s the usual because they don’t want to hear it they think that nobody else should hear it. But they have no problem with the gore, even though it is fake and will blur out nudity but not gore.

Networks are even worse. I was watching Mel Brooks “History Of The World Part One” one day and they censored all the sex jokes, and all the druggie jokes and cut out ninety percent of the Inquisition Song. Again, if you’re going to do that you might as well not show the movie. Either show it in its entirety or don’t show it at all.

They do the same thing with the movie “Police Academy” in which they censor out any instance of the word ******. (The n word blacks get so upset at if it gets censored here) But it loses a lot because you can’t understand what Hightower gets so angry at.

I strongly and vehemently feel there should be no censorship like this period, and if you’re going to censor any part of the movie then you shouldn’t show it.

As for me I am not personally bothered by these things and am strongly resentful of people who are and say I must not watch these kinds of things so they can have peace of mind. Well, what about consideration for me and my peace of mind?

Consideration and common courtesy should be a two way street but often times it is not and this society is sorely lacking in it these days. It’s all about instant gratification anymore.
 
yellowbicycle said:
Context, context, context.
Who’s naked? When, where, why, how? Are people naked on TV just so Axe body spray can sell more cologne? Offensive (and not terribly clever). Are people naked in the museum because the artist thought that the human form was beautiful? Not offensive.

**Yea, just because we sit here naked typing on CAF is that offensive? 🙂 Oh, wait! Maybe I shouldn’t have told you that! :eek: Forget I said that! :rolleyes: They have naked people **in museums? [Memo to self: go visit more museums! ] 😃

As for foul language…well, it is, by definition, foul. But, again, context here DOES matter. Hubby thinks no one is listening while he’s trying to fix the window and drops an F-bomb. Meh, I don’t like it, but I’m certainly not offended.

**Yea, People who don’t believe in Gosh will spend eternity in Heck! :rolleyes: **

Personally, I used to say G-d-a-m-t alot. I swtiched it to God bless America and now everyone thinks I’m really patriotic.😉

So if I had to choose, I would say foul language is more offensive. Why didn’t you ask about violence? Certainly someone blowing off someone else’s head is pretty offensive, but lots of people love to watch it.

But I guess I wonder where you’re going with this question…are you not offended by nudity and foul language? Ever?

**I asked that a long time ago! 🤷 **
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Paul1961:
I was trying to form my thoughts for a post when I read this. Thank you edward_george.
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edward_george:
God made the human body, and made it to be beautiful.
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**Paul and Edward you have to “get out more” Could I recommendn gottle of geer as your tour guide? 😃 **
GottleofGeer:
…Nudity. Most people have hideous bodies - & many are aggressively fat. Not plump, not overweight, but enormously vast.
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Starwynd said:
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What do you mean by “nudity?” Nudity in and of itself is not offensive in the least–we are born naked, and we don’t mind nudity until our sex drives kick in (I’m sure you’ve seen a naked toddler running around at least once). However, nudity used in a sexually perverted way, nudity used for the purpose of arousal and physical sexual satisfaction outside of marriage is offensive not only to the dignity of the human person, but to God Himself.

If the body truly reveals the soul, and the human person is the image of God, and the sexual nature of man and woman is a sign of the love of the Trinity, then nudity itself cannot be said to be sinful (cf Man and Woman He Created Them: A Theology of the Body by Pope John Paul II). In fact, John Paul II took off the “clothes” on most of the sculptures in St Peter’s in Rome, returning them to their original state of nudity. There is nothing “dirty” or “offensive” about the art there, just as there is nothing “dirty” or “offensive” about the naked human body. There is, however, something dirty and offensive about pornography. And what’s the difference between “art” and “pornography?”…you know it when you see it.

No, I don’t believe nudity should be banned. Yes, I do believe pornography should be banned.

Foul language? It is vulgar, unclever, undistinguished. It insults the intelligence of the person using it. There are better words to use when one is angry, when one is sad, when one is surprised. Do I think it should be banned? Again, not necessarily. It depends on the context. On TV, on radio, I don’t think there should be foul language. In movies with a rating of PG-13 or higher, then I think the audience has fair warning about the language. With TV you don’t get that same warning–nor do you get it with radio. The people who don’t mind foul language can continue to watch those movies, and the people who do mind it can opt to watch something else.
(Unless, of course, you are using the name of God in vain, which is a sin against the second Commandment and offensive to the Lord Himself…I mean, how would you like it? My name is Peter, and I don’t even like it when people say “for Pete’s sake!”)
 
Why do we have to choose.
Nudity is fine in the appropriate place, like an art gallery or in the privacy of your own home, or in a medical setting with proper respect.

However, nudity is never appropriate when it is meant to cause one to sin…So it is offensive.

Foul language is never appropriate, especially if it is a sin against the second commandment.
 
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