What is organic liturgical development?

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This concept seems very nebulous to me. Sometimes it seems organic=small. But then, at what point does organic change become inorganic? How many or what percentage of words or actions have to be changed for a change to be inorganic?

Does organic change simply equal good change? That just seems subjective.

The best way I can think of it is change that comes from the bottom up–and therefore organic can be good or bad and nonorganic can be good or bad. Let me explain.

Let’s say the liturgy is like a plant in a garden. As it grows, the gardner can either allow it to grow or prune it if it grows in an undesirable manner. The liturgy is the plant and the bishop and ultimately the Pope is the gardner (with help from the curia)–as things are introduced at the local level, they can either be kept or pruned back. Liturgical dance would be an example of bad organic development which the chief gardner has said should be pruned away, but which has not been in some places.

However, the gardener can also prune things away and rather than allowing natural growth, he can graft pieces on. This would be the top down approach which has pretty much dominated the liturgical landscape in the 450 years or so since Trent. Again, this is not necessarily bad thing as most people here would agree the papal changes made during that period until 1970 or so were good (obviously, the “goodness” of the changes since is debated a lot in this forum).

Anyway, is this a proper understanding or not?
 
There’s a good book on this subject, by Alcuin Read, called… 😉The Organic Development of the Liturgy.

…buy essentially, I think you’ve got what ‘organic development’ is. It’s natural, not contrived or forced, and yes it can include growth and pruning (e.g. of accretions).

That book is fantastic, and I would heartily recommend it.
 
I also think you’ve got a fairly good idea of organic, but I thought I’d suggest a “third possibility” - the pope/his curia could “graft” into the liturgy something that has been “growing” from the bottom up outside of the liturgy. While the current canonical situation basically (though not absolutely) precludes the sort of bottom-up/customary growth being incorporated in public worship on individual initiative, this does not mean the pope can’t observe, say, particular devotions or extraliturgical customs, and deem them worthy of being grafted (at least optionally, at first) into the liturgy.
 
I also think you’ve got a fairly good idea of organic, but I thought I’d suggest a “third possibility” - the pope/his curia could “graft” into the liturgy something that has been “growing” from the bottom up outside of the liturgy.
Isn’t that essentially what Pius V did, in the codification of the Missal. :o It’s not as if Trent ‘invented’ the Missal; indeed, it just standardised it.
 
This concept seems very nebulous to me. Sometimes it seems organic=small. But then, at what point does organic change become inorganic? How many or what percentage of words or actions have to be changed for a change to be inorganic?

Does organic change simply equal good change? That just seems subjective.

The best way I can think of it is change that comes from the bottom up–and therefore organic can be good or bad and nonorganic can be good or bad. Let me explain.

Let’s say the liturgy is like a plant in a garden. As it grows, the gardner can either allow it to grow or prune it if it grows in an undesirable manner. The liturgy is the plant and the bishop and ultimately the Pope is the gardner (with help from the curia)–as things are introduced at the local level, they can either be kept or pruned back. Liturgical dance would be an example of bad organic development which the chief gardner has said should be pruned away, but which has not been in some places.

However, the gardener can also prune things away and rather than allowing natural growth, he can graft pieces on. This would be the top down approach which has pretty much dominated the liturgical landscape in the 450 years or so since Trent. Again, this is not necessarily bad thing as most people here would agree the papal changes made during that period until 1970 or so were good (obviously, the “goodness” of the changes since is debated a lot in this forum).

Anyway, is this a proper understanding or not?
Organic: anything done by saints and holy men of the past.

Inorganic: anything you don’t like.
 
Please! Are you trying to be funny, or trite? 🤷
My apologies, whimsy got the best of me.😃

I would say that organic development is that which comes from holy men, is done with respect for tradition, in a spirit of love for the Liturgy and to highlight one or another of its mysteries, curb abuses, or for some such legitimate purpose. Organic development must also enjoy approval from church authority.

Inorganic development lacks these qualities.
 
jj2011: Don’t worry about it; I took you the wrong way.

I thought you meant “irorganic development means anything rabid Traditionalists do not like”… :eek:
 
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