What Is Pentecostal Worship Like?

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My limited experience is that Pentacostal Preachers are definitely more into exclamations. An “Amen” or an “Alleluia” thrown in at regular intervals compared to Baptist preachers.
BTW Tim Staples is a convert and actually is a former Assemblies of God preacher. Even becoming Catholic hasn’t completely changed his style, he certainly says “Amen” and “Alleluia” a lot and his answers tend to be more “preachy” and emotional than most of the other CAL apologists, who tend to answer questions in a “just the facts, ma’am” demeanor.
 
Services tend to be very emotional and repetitive. I once went to a service where they repeated the same chorus for 20+ minutes.:eek:
 
Services tend to be very emotional and repetitive. I once went to a service where they repeated the same chorus for 20+ minutes.:eek:
No offense intended to any Pentacostal brothers and sisters. But I’m not a music person in the first place (I always attend our music-less mass on purpose). To sing the same chorus over and over would not put me in any kind of praiseworthy frame of mind but would drive me to distraction.
 
No offense intended to any Pentacostal brothers and sisters. But I’m not a music person in the first place (I always attend our music-less mass on purpose). To sing the same chorus over and over would not put me in any kind of praiseworthy frame of mind but would drive me to distraction.
Perhaps. I think some repetition is fine. I’m really enjoying listening to United Pursuit and Will Reagan right now, and they have a lot of repetition.I mean we want to enjoy spending time worshiping God and standing in his presence. I think he deserves more than just 15 minutes of singing. Yet, I myself have been in services where it was clear that the song should have been changed a while ago. I won’t deny that.

Sometimes though the service takes unexpected turns and people may be praying at the altars and the pastor may even be ministering to people in the altars and it just makes sense to “drag out” the songs sometimes.

Interestingly, at Azusa Street they sang a capella with no worship leaders at all.
 
Perhaps. I think some repetition is fine. I’m really enjoying listening to United Pursuit and Will Reagan right now, and they have a lot of repetition.I mean we want to enjoy spending time worshiping God and standing in his presence. I think he deserves more than just 15 minutes of singing. Yet, I myself have been in services where it was clear that the song should have been changed a while ago. I won’t deny that.

Sometimes though the service takes unexpected turns and people may be praying at the altars and the pastor may even be ministering to people in the altars and it just makes sense to “drag out” the songs sometimes.

Interestingly, at Azusa Street they sang a capella with no worship leaders at all.
I do love a longer worship time. I just wish that they’d change it up with fewer repetitions and more old-fashioned hymns. Acapella songs as nice as well. Sometimes it’s nice to have praise without the distraction of musicians.

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I forgot to mention that there is one lovely Protestant worship practice that is used by some charismatic churches in Brazil. They face away from the audience, so that the focus is on God rather than the individual musicians.
 
How about we all just agree that the Mass is the best form of worship where Christ becomes present in the form of bread and wine. 😉
 
I do enjoy a good Communion service, but you won’t find any Pentecostal agreeing with Transubstantiation.

Correct.
Well my friend, that is the way early Christians worshiped because of their belief in transubstantiation. It’s much more than just a communion service. It is at the heart of the Christian life. Without it, Christians can’t truly be fulfilled. Pentecostal worship is nothing more than 19th and 20th century Protestant inventions. :confused:
 
I’ve attended a few. They were sort of scary to me. Same with the Vineyard churches. And this was long before Catholicism was on my radar. I honestly think there is a spirit present…but it’s not the/a Holy Spirit. Not wanting to offend, just giving my take on my experiences. Anyway, after converting I started reading and listening to a lot of apologetics, especially from a Traditional perspective. (I came upon the Truth of the Church via Traditionalists…so have a natural affection and admiration for them). One article I read always sticks with me: Know that the fruits of the Spirit are love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance according to Galatians. The fruits of the Spirit are not out of control shaking, screaming, running around, falling down, “holy laughter”, vocalizations that don’t edify the Church…One should be more in control of one’s self after an encounter with the Holy Spirit, not less. This just resonates with me and seems rightly ordered.

One more example from a very orthodox priest (FSSP): He said that an exorcist priest friend of his who knew a few languages was exorcizing (sp?) a person who began speaking in “tongues”, the kind from the “charismatic” movement, and that the “language” was actually a mixture of Aramaic and some others…but the words were actually cursing God. I would stay clear of any charismatic movement. Catholic or otherwise.

And lastly, to EqualinHim…have you ever attended a Traditional Latin Mass? It is almost entirely facing God. The Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is our greatest prayer to God and it’s beauty, reverence and worship cannot be found in any Protestant service or even the NO Mass. I would encourage anyone to at least once in your life attend a Traditional Latin Mass. It is believed by some that the Jews will convert en masse at the end times because they will recognize the Mass (the Traditional one) as the fulfillment of Judaism.
 
I’ve attended a few. They were sort of scary to me. Same with the Vineyard churches. And this was long before Catholicism was on my radar. I honestly think there is a spirit present…but it’s not the/a Holy Spirit. Not wanting to offend, just giving my take on my experiences.
I respect your opinion and obviously have no idea what churches you attended that gave you that impression, so I will take you at your word. Not all Pentecostal/charismatic churches are the same, and some are problematic and out of order.
One article I read always sticks with me: Know that the fruits of the Spirit are love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance according to Galatians.
Of course, but we need to make some important distinctions here.There are the fruit of the Spirit, as listed by Paul in Galatians 5:22-23. Then there are spiritual gifts (such as tongues, prophecy, miracles, etc.) also listed by Paul in 1 Corinthians 12:8–10 (and other places in Scripture). There are also religious affections (emotions) that originate out of the human heart from divine joy, love and gratitude.

Pentecostals have always (if not so perfectly) held that these 3 concepts are distinct and serve different purposes. The fruit of the Spirit are for personal sanctification. The spiritual gifts are “manifestations of the Spirit for the common good” and everyone in the body of Christ is given some gift with which to minister to others (1 Corinthians 12:7).

Religious affections/emotions could be truly spiritual or carnal in nature depending on the spiritual state of the person and are not outward evidence of godliness. Sober Christian theologians have encountered these outward expressions in their ministries and have written scripturally grounded explanations of them. Reformed theologian Jonathan Edwards’ writing about this remains an American Protestant classic, A Treatise Concerning Religious Affections.
The fruits of the Spirit are not out of control shaking, screaming, running around, falling down, “holy laughter”,
You are right. These are not fruit of the Spirit----and Pentecostals have never taught that. They are religious affections. Sometimes they are in order, sometimes they are not.
vocalizations that don’t edify the Church…
Tongues are spiritual gifts that edify the church when interpreted and edify the individual when used in prayer. As Paul says of uninterpreted tongues, “For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit” (1 Corinthians 14:2).
One should be more in control of one’s self after an encounter with the Holy Spirit, not less. This just resonates with me and seems rightly ordered.
OK. I have never “been out of control” in God’s presence. I have ran in the church, danced in the Spirit, spoke in tongues, and been slain in the Spirit. In each case, I was still me. I believe I felt God’s tangible presence, but I was not in some hypnotic state. I was still self-aware, but also at that moment there was a heightened awareness of God’s presence and love for me.
 
Itwin,

Thank you for your reply. Please know, I truly do not wish to offend, only share. I am fearful of this Pentacostalism. As a convert virtually all my friends are Protestant and lean in this direction.

I can only tell you what I sensed. Though I only visited this church 5-6 times it was always similar. At some point during the worship music the band would drone on and on singing the same phrase over and over for literally 10, 15 maybe 20 minutes. It felt like something was trying to hypnotize us. Then when the pastor was preaching, he would get worked up into a frenzy…like Creflo Dollar (who I loved listening to as a baby Christian), until I realized I was being drawn into his trance like state. That’s just scary to me. Perhaps I’m not verbalizing well…but all I can say is it scared me. As I now am maturing in my faith, I can look back and see that when the HS was speaking to me, He was subtle and gentle, guiding and informing.

I would like to share an example of what I believe was the Holy Spirit making Himself known to me. It is very personal and I apologize if this not appropriate…LMK and I will remove it.

After especially intimate, tender moments with my husband who I adored (he is who God used to reveal Himself to me), I would always cry. Not tears of joy, but tears of deep sorrow. He would ask why, and I had no idea. I was a baby Christian. Catholicism was not even on my radar. (obviously it was on my mind subconsciously) :o But now I understand. My “husband” was married previously. He was giving to me what rightfully belongs to another. I was taking what rightfully belonged to his wife. We both were thieves. Thieves that can never repay what they’ve stolen. See Proverbs 6. Again, I’m sorry if being this personal is inappropriate…but to me, this is an encounter with the HS.

One more example: As I’ve said, virtually all my friends are Protestant. My best friend has a beautiful daughter. She is a 26 yo virgin. Loves the Lord. Just a real gem. She has experienced being “slain in the Spirit”, “holy laughter”, falling to the floor unable to move, dancing for joy…and all these manifestations have taken place after she started practicing yoga.

I firmly believe Pentacostalism is dangerous and ask all to pray about it.
 
This is being addressed to Catholics who are considering or currently within the Charismatic Movement. It is a 17 minute teaching video from a traditionalist priest (FSSP, I believe). It is a warning from St. John of the Cross and Fr. John Hardon.

If you are not interested in listening I’ll just give the couple of highlights that struck me as truth.
  1. This revivalism is born from Protestantism (and now has crept into the CC). If it were true, why are they not flocking to the RCC? Seeing as all Catholics should believe the CC IS the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, led and protected by the Holy Spirit, a manifestation of the Holy Spirit of this magnitude should lead one Home.
  2. St. John of the Cross warns over and over again about such things. He insists that these personal felt “feelings” are most always from the devil. God reaches our souls (Satan cannot). Satan has access to our “feelings” and “imagination” and that is the origin of these manifestations. St. John is a Doctor of the Church and an exorcist.
youtu.be/NfetyUYsN94
 
This is being addressed to Catholics who are considering or currently within the Charismatic Movement. It is a 17 minute teaching video from a traditionalist priest (FSSP, I believe). It is a warning from St. John of the Cross and Fr. John Hardon.

If you are not interested in listening I’ll just give the couple of highlights that struck me as truth.
  1. This revivalism is born from Protestantism (and now has crept into the CC). If it were true, why are they not flocking to the RCC? Seeing as all Catholics should believe the CC IS the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, led and protected by the Holy Spirit, a manifestation of the Holy Spirit of this magnitude should lead one Home.
  2. St. John of the Cross warns over and over again about such things. He insists that these personal felt “feelings” are most always from the devil. God reaches our souls (Satan cannot). Satan has access to our “feelings” and “imagination” and that is the origin of these manifestations. St. John is a Doctor of the Church and an exorcist.
youtu.be/NfetyUYsN94
I would encourage you to learn more about the Catholic charismatic movement. While there are segments that go off the deep end, in my experience, these are few and far between. Rather, I have encountered many faithful, holy people, including countless priests and religious, who promote charismatic prayer. I’d like to see your exact quote from John of the Cross. I’ve heard many very faithful priests who are charismatic suggest that he is often taken out of context. Rather, Paul explicitly affirms these gifts in 1 Corinthians 12. We see them exercised in Acts. Are we to believe that God no longer desires to heal people and work other miracles through his disciples as he did through Peter and Paul, among others?

You might check out this work from Dr. Ralph Martin, who is a professor of theology at Sacred Heart Major Seminary in Detroit. He’s written a number of books on the spiritual life, including the best one I’ve ever read called The Fulfillment of All Desire.

renewalministries.net/files/freeliterature/Char_Cont…pdf
 
I would encourage you to learn more about the Catholic charismatic movement. While there are segments that go off the deep end, in my experience, these are few and far between. Rather, I have encountered many faithful, holy people, including countless priests and religious, who promote charismatic prayer. I’d like to see your exact quote from John of the Cross. I’ve heard many very faithful priests who are charismatic suggest that he is often taken out of context. Rather, Paul explicitly affirms these gifts in 1 Corinthians 12. We see them exercised in Acts. Are we to believe that God no longer desires to heal people and work other miracles through his disciples as he did through Peter and Paul, among others?

You might check out this work from Dr. Ralph Martin, who is a professor of theology at Sacred Heart Major Seminary in Detroit. He’s written a number of books on the spiritual life, including the best one I’ve ever read called The Fulfillment of All Desire.

renewalministries.net/files/freeliterature/Char_Cont…pdf
It’s probably safe to assume you didn’t listen to the video I posted? You can hear what Father says that St. John wrote on the subject. And like I said in my post…the fact that this movement was born from Protestantism would hopefully make a Catholic pause and reflect. Obviously there are differing views within the CC on this, so I personally will ere on the side of caution…most especially in light of its origin.
 
I’ve had two very unpleasant experiences with the Pentecostal service, in my younger “wondering Christian years”:
  • The church was Pentecostal and sort of formal in the dress and manners at the time. Having a guest speaker during the Sunday service was breaking the norm some for me, but the guy went from mild mannered, to a shirtless…ranting…raving…screaming…red-faced lunatic in under ten minutes. The big thing was him saying “Ahhhh, that Pope is some shyster!” as he yelled all over the stage.
-Experience #2 had me at a semi-formal Pentecostal church. The minister referred to Catholics as the “Cephas clique” in one of those cute, smart-a** ways. It went from bad to worse when their whole rap was about how Catholics are cannibals. He did however keep his shirt on, unlike the other chap. Yes, I did see one of those hideous signs that lists everyone who is going to Hell, up in their church lobby. It listed Catholics, Mormons, gays, occultists, democrats, etc. I’m sure if you Google such a sign, you’ll see what I mean.
I’m so glad I’m Catholic.
 
It’s probably safe to assume you didn’t listen to the video I posted? You can hear what Father says that St. John wrote on the subject. And like I said in my post…the fact that this movement was born from Protestantism would hopefully make a Catholic pause and reflect. Obviously there are differing views within the CC on this, so I personally will ere on the side of caution…most especially in light of its origin.
I’m listening to it right now. Did you read the article by Dr. Martin? You might also check out the documentary Fearless. fearlessdocumentary.net

With respect to Father (don’t know his last name…the one in the video), I too am a priest. I respect this priest and his knowledge. But, even just listening to the tone of his voice indicates a deep skepticism. With more time, I could address the points that this priest makes. But, admittedly, I’m a beginner with respect to the charismatic movement in the Church. I’ve only been exposed to it very recently, but I have many brother priests who are faithful, orthodox, holy men, who have been deeply involved in this movement for years, decades in some cases. Some of them are duly instituted exorcists in the Church. They would be more well-equipped to answer these objections. (FWIW, this priest’s talk is the first I’ve heard that St. John of the Cross was an exorcist…I researched a bit on John of the Cross…of whom I am by no means an expert…and could find nothing to corroborate the claim that he was an exorcist…regardless, that’s neither here nor there.)

However, suffice it to say…I agree with him on these points, properly understood. For instance, point five…“vanity, danger, loss of humility.” Everyone involved with the authentic charismatic movement would readily agree that the charisms can lend themselves to pride. It’s why it’s vital that we stay humble, giving all honor and glory to God.

Let me address a couple of things that you say. I think there would be some who would argue your points that the movement was born out of Protestantism. But, let’s just for the sake of argument say that it was. So what? What does Jesus say when John said that there was someone driving out demons in Jesus’ name, but who wasn’t of their number? He exhorts John not to hinder them, because whoever is not against us is for us. Now, true enough…the Catholic faith is the one, true faith, instituted by Christ. But if a Protestant brother or sister is baptized, who are we to deny the grace of that sacrament? If Jesus wants to work through that person, who are we to stand in the way? Do I wish that person would become Catholic? To be sure. But it doesn’t follow that everything a non-Catholic says and does is to be rejected. Such is the height of arrogance. Furthermore, our Protestant brothers and sisters have much to teach us about a love of Scripture, having Scripture permeate our lives, an understanding of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, an understanding of prayer, etc. Do I wish we would all be one? Yes. But does that mean that even though we aren’t one currently, our Protestant brethren don’t have gifts to offer the Church? By no means.

There certainly are differing views on this. But, I think you’ll find a number of very influential priests and bishops, none less than Pope Francis himself (who prayed with representatives of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal at their 50th anniversary celebration in Rome this year) saying that this is an authentic movement of the Holy Spirit, and a very potent means of evangelization which God is reawakening at this time. (I don’t want to say giving at this time, as that implies that God didn’t give these gifts in a prior age.) Benedict XVI and John Paul II also affirmed the authenticity of charismatic prayer.

I’m by no means trying to suggest that you must believe in this, or pray this way. Like I said, I’m a beginner, and I don’t feel like my priesthood has been deprived for lack of praying as a charismatic. That said, since I’ve been more open to this movement, I’ve seen more and more people touched with the Gospel who otherwise would have been closed to the saving message of Jesus Christ. I would just say this…don’t “ere on the side of caution.” Ere on the side of truth. I’d suggest you read Acts 1-3, and then read Acts 5, particularly verses 38-39.
 
Thank you Father. I had no idea you were a priest. I will read Acts as you suggested. I am quite certain I will not change my mind. If you read my earlier posts you see that I did attend a few Pentecostal services as a Protestant and they bothered and even scared me. I am Catholic now because of “stumbling” on traditional Catholic sites. I am currently taking the Fr. John Hardon Catechism course and occasionally get to listen to some of his teachings and it seems to me Fr. was not open to this charismatic movement. As of Fr. Hardon’s passing the good Cardinal Burke is tasked with taking over the Marian Catechism Fr. Hardon started and when I complete it will get the opportunity to meet him. I am so excited by this, as I have friends who do know him and say he is a very holy and humble priest. I am praying for the good cardinal and those standing with him in their steadfastness in asking Pope Francis to answer the dubia.

God bless you Father and thanks again for answering me.
 
Debbie,

You have articulated quite clearly, the concerns I’ve seen about the charismatic movement from within the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. I share the same concerns and notice that even some of those at the highest levels allow these practices, while at the same time restricting the tried, true, authentic Patristic practices handed down through the ages. I really question why laymen and leaders so vocally opposed to renewing the Church’s authentic patrimony so openly allow for and even actively support a movement that has less than 60 year footing founded on a heterodox communities utterances and acts.
 
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