What is Peter saying here in Acts

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4.4,11:

“This is the stone which was rejected by you builders, but which has become the head of the corner.” By which, in context, he means Jesus Christ.

*However, is Peter speaking self-consciously? Might he be recalling the charge laid upon him as that rock Christ saw fit to build his church?

*(By the way, nothing impresses me more in re-reading the NT than the distinctive voice of Peter here.)

I don’t have my Greek NT with me, but whatever you wish to offer will be welcomed.
 
Peter would have probably considered himself as part of the foundation, along with the other Apostles. Jesus made Peter a greater Primacy, but Jesus also taught Peter a harsh lesson in being humble. I would imagine Peter never wanted to resort to using his authority to settle a dispute among the other Apostles.

Jesus, being the cornerstone, is what the rest of the foundation relies on. Everything in the foundation depends on the cornerstone. That seems to be all that Peter would have had in mind during this statement.
 
Peter would have probably considered himself as part of the foundation, along with the other Apostles. Jesus made Peter a greater Primacy, but Jesus also taught Peter a harsh lesson in being humble. I would imagine Peter never wanted to resort to using his authority to settle a dispute among the other Apostles.

Jesus, being the cornerstone, is what the rest of the foundation relies on. Everything in the foundation depends on the cornerstone. That seems to be all that Peter would have had in mind during this statement.
I especially like the first paragraph of your reply. Doesn’t the lesson begin with Christ’s first upbraiding, crediting God the Father with Peter’s correct answer to Christ’s question, as opposed to Peter’s mother wit? So, in expressing the primacy of Christ, Peter may well putting himself as secondary, recalling at once his lesson (and lessons) in humility at the same time as his own status rock. This would be evidence, if true, for my sense that Peter is speaking self-consciously, which may be in turn a way for us Catholics to regard him as the first Holy Father.

God bless.
 
4.4,11:

“This is the stone which was rejected by you builders, but which has become the head of the corner.” By which, in context, he means Jesus Christ.

*However, is Peter speaking self-consciously? Might he be recalling the charge laid upon him as that rock Christ saw fit to build his church?

*(By the way, nothing impresses me more in re-reading the NT than the distinctive voice of Peter here.)

I don’t have my Greek NT with me, but whatever you wish to offer will be welcomed.
You are mixing metaphors my brother.
 
Really?

How so?
It is undoubtedly the doctrine of Scripture that Christ is the only foundation [of the Church]: “other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ” (1 Cor 3:11). Yet we must remember that the same metaphor may be used to illustrate different truths, and so, according to circumstances, may have different significations. The same Paul who has called Christ the only foundation, tells his Ephesian converts (2:20):–“Ye are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner-stone.” And in like manner we read (Rev 21:14) :–“The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them the names of the twelve Apostles of the Lamb.” How is it that there can be no other foundation but Christ, and yet that the Apostles are spoken of as foundations? Plainly because the metaphor is used with different applications. Christ alone is that foundation, from being joined to which the whole building of the Church derives its unity and stability, and gains strength to defy all the assaults of hell. But, in the same manner as any human institution is said to be founded by those men to whom it owes its origin, so we may call those men the foundation of the Church whom God honoured by using them as His instruments in the establishment of it; who were themselves laid as the first living stones in that holy temple, and on whom the other stones of that temple were laid; for it was on their testimony that others received the truth, so that our faith rests on theirs; and (humanly speaking) it is because they believed that we believe. So, again, in like manner, we are forbidden to call anyone on earth our Father, “for one is our Father which is in heaven.” And yet, in another sense, Paul did not scruple to call himself the spiritual father of those whom he had begotten in the Gospel. You see, then, that the fact that Christ is called the rock, and that on Him the Church is built, is no hindrance to Peter’s also being, in a different sense, called rock, and being said to be the foundation of the Church; so that I consider there is no ground for the fear entertained by some, in ancient and in modern times, that, by applying the words personally to Peter, we should infringe on the honour due to Christ alone.

By the way, that was from Stephen Ray.
 
It is undoubtedly the doctrine of Scripture that Christ is the only foundation [of the Church]: “other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ” (1 Cor 3:11). Yet we must remember that the same metaphor may be used to illustrate different truths, and so, according to circumstances, may have different significations. The same Paul who has called Christ the only foundation, tells his Ephesian converts (2:20):–“Ye are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner-stone.” And in like manner we read (Rev 21:14) :–“The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them the names of the twelve Apostles of the Lamb.” How is it that there can be no other foundation but Christ, and yet that the Apostles are spoken of as foundations? Plainly because the metaphor is used with different applications. Christ alone is that foundation, from being joined to which the whole building of the Church derives its unity and stability, and gains strength to defy all the assaults of hell. But, in the same manner as any human institution is said to be founded by those men to whom it owes its origin, so we may call those men the foundation of the Church whom God honoured by using them as His instruments in the establishment of it; who were themselves laid as the first living stones in that holy temple, and on whom the other stones of that temple were laid; for it was on their testimony that others received the truth, so that our faith rests on theirs; and (humanly speaking) it is because they believed that we believe. So, again, in like manner, we are forbidden to call anyone on earth our Father, “for one is our Father which is in heaven.” And yet, in another sense, Paul did not scruple to call himself the spiritual father of those whom he had begotten in the Gospel. You see, then, that the fact that Christ is called the rock, and that on Him the Church is built, is no hindrance to Peter’s also being, in a different sense, called rock, and being said to be the foundation of the Church; so that I consider there is no ground for the fear entertained by some, in ancient and in modern times, that, by applying the words personally to Peter, we should infringe on the honour due to Christ alone.

By the way, that was from Stephen Ray.
Thanks, I guess. But you have not shown that I’ve mixed metaphors. And the relevance of the quotation does not address my op.

God bless.
 
Thanks, I guess. But you have not shown that I’ve mixed metaphors. And the relevance of the quotation does not address my op.

God bless.
Sorry if it didn’t answer your question. That’s all I can offer my brother.
 
I don’t think he is referring to himself there. He is referencing a prophecy in the Psalm concerning Christ. The leaders of the Israelites rejected Him, but He will be the ultimate support for an even greater “structure.” As was pointed out above, St. Peter is a rock and foundation in a different, yet related, way than Christ is. St. Peter receives his rock-like strength and firmness from the cornerstone, Christ.
 
I don’t think he is referring to himself there. He is referencing a prophecy in the Psalm concerning Christ. The leaders of the Israelites rejected Him, but He will be the ultimate support for an even greater “structure.” As was pointed out above, St. Peter is a rock and foundation in a different, yet related, way than Christ is. St. Peter receives his rock-like strength and firmness from the cornerstone, Christ.
I think both may be so, at the risk of simply piling reading upon reading.

As Jews, the Apostles, like Jesus before them, contantly thought in terms of Hebrew Scripture. With and after Christ, they also thought of its fulfillment in Christ, Who, after all, had addressed Peter as a rock. In no way would Peter, of course, be offering himself as equivalent to Christ, but an allusion to his own part, vouchsafed by Christ, in the fulfillment already mentined seems to me to be possible, even desirable, as a reading. He would be the pointing us at once explicity to the salavation won for us by Christ while doing so self-consciously as a rock himself: a papal gesture, if you will, before he could have taken on the name pope.
 
4.4,11:

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The prophesies of the prophets were well known to the Israelites:
Peter is referring to one of the prophesies of Isaias, similar to that found in Psalms 117, IS 28,16: “Therefore thus saith the Lord God: Behold I will lay a stone in the foundation stone of Sion, a tried stone, a cornerstone, founded in the foundation. He that believeth let him not hasten”

It refers primarily to Christ. Let us expect his coming with patience (…let him not hasten")

peace
mgrfin
 
It is undoubtedly the doctrine of Scripture that Christ is the only foundation [of the Church]: “other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ” (1 Cor 3:11). Yet we must remember that the same metaphor may be used to illustrate different truths, and so, according to circumstances, may have different significations. The same Paul who has called Christ the only foundation, tells his Ephesian converts (2:20):–“Ye are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner-stone.” And in like manner we read (Rev 21:14) :–“The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them the names of the twelve Apostles of the Lamb.” How is it that there can be no other foundation but Christ, and yet that the Apostles are spoken of as foundations? Plainly because the metaphor is used with different applications. Christ alone is that foundation, from being joined to which the whole building of the Church derives its unity and stability, and gains strength to defy all the assaults of hell.
Something so often missed in the 1 Corinthians passage, is that Paul is talking aboutwho we place our faith in - the Person who we believe is our Saviour (source of truth, redemption, etc.).

1 Cor 3:10 According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and another man is building upon it. Let each man take care how he builds upon it. 3:11 For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 3:12 Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw –

In this context, (One whom our faith is in as God and Redeemer), it IS only Jesus who is the foundation of our faith.

The other passages (Ephesians and Revelation) refer to the institution that was founded by Jesus to preach this faith. It is there that Jesus is the cornerstone and the apostles and prophets the foundation.

Nita
 
Really?

How so?
You can use the same figures of speech for more than one person but make sure you don’t mix metaphors.
In Acts 4 the cornerstone is a reference to Psalms118:22 and we both know Peter doesn’t considers himself savior.

Christ is also seen as the foundation of the church in 1 Cor3:11. The individual christian is the building material, and the Apostles are the builders. This metaphor is dealing with individual christians.

In Matt16:18 Peter is the foundation, Christ is the builder, and believers the building stones. This metaphor is dealing with the Church as a whole

The metaphor in Act would be the Sanhedrin could have been builders like the Apostles if they hadn’t rejected Christ the foundation. Instead of building the chuch they persecute it.
 
Peter would have probably considered himself as part of the foundation, along with the other Apostles. Jesus made Peter a greater Primacy, but Jesus also taught Peter a harsh lesson in being humble. I would imagine Peter never wanted to resort to using his authority to settle a dispute among the other Apostles.

Jesus, being the cornerstone, is what the rest of the foundation relies on. Everything in the foundation depends on the cornerstone. That seems to be all that Peter would have had in mind during this statement.
I agree about Peter being humble. He would surely have been scandalized by the patriarchs that arrogantly excommunicated one another causing the great schism.

I imagine that Peter continued to grow in humility as an example of what he later taught:

1 Peter 2:1-6
2:1 So put away all malice and all guile and insincerity and envy and all slander. 2 Like newborn babes, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up to salvation; 3 for you have tasted the kindness of the Lord.

4 Come to him, to that living stone, rejected by men but in God’s sight chosen and precious; 5 and like living stones be yourselves built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For it stands in scripture:

“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and he who believes in him will not be put to shame.”
 
The foundation is composite materials, read Eph 2:20

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You start with bedrock ( God ), then the first stone is put in place, a conerstone ( Jesus ), then other stones are added ( prophets and apostles ), then the building is built on that foundation.

Question, If peter is one of the other conerstones, who are the last two cornerstones? And, whom are the keystones about the doors and windows?
 
The foundation is composite materials, read Eph 2:20

bibleplaces.com/images/Mudbricks_on_stone_foundation_at_Derbe,_tb_n010101.jpg

You start with bedrock ( God ), then the first stone is put in place, a conerstone ( Jesus ), then other stones are added ( prophets and apostles ), then the building is built on that foundation.

Question, If peter is one of the other conerstones, who are the last two cornerstones? And, whom are the keystones about the doors and windows?
Answer: There is one cornerstone. There are 3 other stones that happen to lie in the other corners, but the Cornerstone is the piece that all other pieces of the foundation are “leveled” against. Every piece of the foundation is laid in relation to the Cornerstone.
 
Answer: There is one cornerstone. There are 3 other stones that happen to lie in the other corners, but the Cornerstone is the piece that all other pieces of the foundation are “leveled” against. Every piece of the foundation is laid in relation to the Cornerstone.
You have a good understanding of the need/use of cornerstones. Thanks! 🙂
 
The foundation is composite materials, read Eph 2:20

http://www.bibleplaces.com/images/Mudbricks_on_stone_foundation_at_Derbe,_tb_n010101.jpg

bibleplaces.com/images/Mudbricks_on_stone_foundation_at_Derbe,_tb_n010101.jpg

You start with bedrock ( God ), then the first stone is put in place, a conerstone ( Jesus ), then other stones are added ( prophets and apostles ), then the building is built on that foundation.

Question, If peter is one of the other conerstones, who are the last two cornerstones? And, whom are the keystones about the doors and windows?
Whoever said that Peter was a cornerstone. “Thou art Peter, and upon this Rock I will build my church.” I don’t think Jesus had architechture in mind.

peace
 
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