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PMV
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I recall reading that one of the six sins against the Holy Spirit is ‘Presumption of God’s mercy’. When I looked up the word ‘presumption’ I got many different meanings. What is this sin?
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Andrew_11
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It means what it says, you assume that you will be forgiven, God died for you, your covered, it deosnt matter what you did. I believe that would be presumption of God’s mercy.
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ChurchMilitant
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Presumption on God’s mercy occurs when you consent to a sin because “God has already forgiven me” or “I will just go to confession later.” Because, when taken to the extreme, it utterly nullifies all morality, it is a mortal sin in and of itself.
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puzzleannie
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an example is once saved always saved, interpreted to mean that all my future sins are already forgiven if today I repent and give my heart to Jesus. Another example is “God loves me, I am a good person, just because I broke a few commandments, and have every intention of persisting in my sin, does not mean I have to worry about hell, God would never send a swell person like me to hell.”
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Petergee
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That is one form of presumption of God’s mercy. There is also another form: to say to yourself “I myself through my own efforts can make myself such a good person that God can’t refuse to save me. I DESERVE it. I have EARNED it.” This is very wrong. We must try to be as perfect as we can, but even the most holy saints rely on God’s mercy, freely given and undeserved. Only Christ’s merits, not our own, can save us.
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nahbios
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Would it be a mortal sin also in the sense of presumption of God’s mercy in the case of a venial sin/sins? If one presumed God’s mercy before, during or after committing a venial sin, or simply contemplating committing a venial sin?
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MarcoPolo
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OSAS? 
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Starwynd
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It means that God’s forgiveness can be abused.
Some people feel they don’t have to live by God’s edicts simply because God will forgive your sins if you ask him to. This means, to some that you can act any way you want to and not worry about it because they will be allowed into heaven no matter how badly they behave. They were bad sinful people and they can get away with it.
Some people feel they don’t have to live by God’s edicts simply because God will forgive your sins if you ask him to. This means, to some that you can act any way you want to and not worry about it because they will be allowed into heaven no matter how badly they behave. They were bad sinful people and they can get away with it.
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sgtpepper
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Let’s say, after committing a sin, one examines and discerns it to be venial. One then realizes that he or she is allowed to take Communion. Is there an element of presumption playing in this?
You see, I have been repeatedly and constantly discerning whether a particular thought, urge or action was conceived or committed with full knowledge and full consent and was a grave matter. I often fear that I might have committed a mortal sin.
If I keep contemplating on this and somehow always arrive at the conclusion that I wasn’t fully aware, etc., am I committing then the sin of presumption in the repeated self-assurance that my sins are venial and not mortal? Is it presumption to think that “okay, I can still receive Communion because that was venial anyway and not mortal”?
You see, I have been repeatedly and constantly discerning whether a particular thought, urge or action was conceived or committed with full knowledge and full consent and was a grave matter. I often fear that I might have committed a mortal sin.
If I keep contemplating on this and somehow always arrive at the conclusion that I wasn’t fully aware, etc., am I committing then the sin of presumption in the repeated self-assurance that my sins are venial and not mortal? Is it presumption to think that “okay, I can still receive Communion because that was venial anyway and not mortal”?
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nahbios
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