What is Protestantism?

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Historically, the three branches of Christianity are Roman Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Protestantism. Collectively, protestantism pretains to any church which grew out of the Reformation.

I do not use the word to be offensive to any one, but only to distinguish it from Catholicism.

We are all brothers/sisters in Christ.

Peace,

Jean
 
LOL no worries, about me taking a few to represent the whole, IF I did I’d have to claim a few very bad representations of my own faith too! :mad::o
As a matter of fact, I was thinking that too.
As for banging heads on wall, I do that for real sometimes. it helps so long as I dont bang it too hard! :banghead:
I’ve heard it feels pretty good when you stop.
 
I honestly don’t know that I can come up with any tenets of Protestantism.

I can come up with some that it would not make any sense for a Protestant to hold. For example it would not make any sense for a Protestant to believe the Bishop of Rome is incapable of being incorrect when speaking on faith and morals.

If one were to hold this belief, the logical next move would be to convert to Catholicism. Why would one remain Protestant knowing that God gives special favours to the Catholics that He apparantly doesn’t give one’s own church. But it is theoretically possible I suppose.

One problem is that there is no ecclesiastical organization called “Protestant” to define what a Protestant must believe. So maybe I can start the 33,001 (since you claim there are 33,000 of them) Protestant denomination that believes the Bishop of Rome is incapable of being incorrect when speaking on faith and morals. Nothing is stopping me from doing so.

Nah…bad idea. That is totally ridiculous.

All that you can do is examine the tenets of faith of all the 33,000 denominations that you all claim exist and see what is common in these denominations that is not found elsewhere.

I can’t think of any. Not to say that none exist. But I am not smart enough to figure out what they are.
Well then, perhaps this definition can help you understand the “commom ‘denominational’ demoninator.”

Rationalism - In general it is the tendency to appreciate the value of human reason, applying it preferentially for the solution of all life’s problems, not excluding religion. In this sense, rationalism is intellectualism, and is opposed to voluntarism, mystical sentimentalism, agnosticism, skepticism, pragmatism, and all irrational or extrarational currents. This healthy and dignified rationalism does not conflict with faith; on the contrary, it is in perfect harmony with it. St. Thomas Aquinas, together with the better known Scholastics, is a luminous example of this kind of rationalism, in which faith and reason join their lights and help each other, the principle being fully respected of the subordination of reason to faith, and of philosophy to religion.

But rationalism, in the strict sense, is a system that claims the supreme and absolute dominion of human reason in all fields, subjecting to its controls every phenomenon and every truth, the supernatural world and God’s authority not excluded. This system tends to humanize the divine, when it does not eliminate it entirely, and to naturalize the the supernatural, when it does not reject it. Such tendencies to overvalue reason even in the field of faith reveals itself here and there since the first centuries of Christianity: e.g., in the latter part of the 4th centuryin the heresies of the Anomoeans, Nestorians, Pelagians, connected with the Antiochian School (naturalistic in tendency). But really heterodox rationalism began with Humanism, when the study of the classics awakened and accentuated in man a proud individualism, a fever for knowledge, for investigation, for scientific research, for autonomy in the theoretical and practical field, and an immoderate attachment of the mind to itself and to nature. Rationalism developed rapidly into a sinuous current of systems, from the naturalism of Telesio, Bruno, and Campanella, to the subjective construction of Cartesianism, to empiric scientism, to Luther’s free interpretation of the Bible, then to Encyclopedism and 18th century Illuminism, down to Kant, with his cult of autonomous and autochthonous reason, arbitor of theoretical and practical truth. With Kant rationalism reached its critical systemization; in the 18th century it resumed its developement to the most antithetical consequences, such as absolute idealism and materialistic monism.

With regard to the religious problem, rationalism runs the gamut from a vague deism to pantheism and, finally, to atheism. The Catholic religion has withstood the attack of rationalism throughout the centuries, contending every inch of ground and barring its passage. The phases of this struggle are pointed out in the Syllabus of Pope Pius IX and the definitons of the 1st Vatican Council.
 
Most broadly, a Protestant is any member of one of the churches which historically emerged directly or indirectly from the Protestant Reformation.

More narrowly, it was a German prince or minister who protested the peace of Westphalia which dealt unjustly with land claims after the 30 years war.
 
Since that word is bandied about quite a bit here, I thought I might ask a stupid question. What exactly is Protestantism?
Protestantism - A word originated in the second diet of Spires (1529) which defended the freedom of practice of the Catholic cult in the countries ravaged by Lutheranism, especially with respect to the celebration of the Mass. Five princes and fourteen cities, adhering to the Lutheran heresy, presented a “protest” (Protestants) against these claims.

Today Protestantism signifies all the religious sects, Churches, and doctrines stemming from the current of the so-called Reformation started by Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, and Henry VIII. The number of these sects is so vast that it is not easy to make a synthesis of them. Disintegration, begun right under Luther’s eyes, is the fatal law proper to and and characteristic of Protestantism. There are three principle trunks, from which new ramifications are constantly sprouting forth:
  1. Lutheranism - Up to the end of the 18th century, it gave birth to various doctrinal evolutions more or less bound with the principles of Luther; it experienced the radical transformations of Lessing ( + 1781), as well as of skeptical or pantheistic philosophies (Spinoza) and, more recently, of rationalistic criticism (Schleiemacher, Ritschl, Von Harnack). Gradually the conservative tendency oppossed these innovations, especially in the ascetico-liturgical field.
  2. Calvinism - (Franco-Swiss Protestantism). Harassed since its beginning by the Socinian schism, it was revived in the past century as Unitarianism, and then by the Arminian schism in the Netherlands. In France, great conflicts developed in the 19th century between the conservative current and the liberal current, which is becoming bolder and increasingly radical.
  3. English Protestantism - This is the most prolific in sects: Presbyterians (divided into various sections), Congregationalists, Baptists, Quakers, Methodists, Irvingians, Darbysts, etc. Anglicanism, the most predominant form of English Protestantism, is totally divided into:(a) High Church, conservative right-wing party (closet to Catholicism); (b) Low Church, moderate left-wing party, democratic, basically truly Protestant and, therefore, anti-Roman; (c) Broad Church, radical left-wing party, open to modernism and to all new currents to a point of compromising the basic truths of faith. Various efforts have been made to recapture that unity which, on the other hand, is the force and life of the Catholic Church
 
This is exactly what I am talking about.

First of all there is no such thing as Protestant dogma.

Second of all this belief as you stated is just a title and lacks definition.

Third, once you define it, you have to show that all Protestants believe this. And that you must believe this to be Protestant. And that it is unique to Protestants.

Then you might have a case for saying that this is a tenet of Protestantism and is Protestant dogma.

Otherwise you are overstating your case.
Dogma - Originally, it meant opinion. The classics use it with the meaning of criterion, rule, law; in this last sense, it is found in the New Testament (Luke 2:1; Acts 16:4). The earliest Fathers use it to indicate a principle of moral doctrine (rather than a principle of faith in general). From the 4th century, the meaning of dogma as truth of faith begins to prevail (Cyril of Jerusalem, Gregory of Nyssa). The Scholastics preferred article or sentence in thenlast sense. From the 17th century to the present time, the theoretical doctrine of faith is separated from the moral doctrine, and called dogmatic theology.

A dogma, in the technical use of the word, is a truth revealed by God and proposed as such by the magisterium of the Church to the faithful, with the obligation of believing it
 
Well, most simply, dogma is propositional truth the denial of which is impermissible according to a church’s confessional standards.

In this sense Protestants do have dogma.
 
Historically, the three branches of Christianity are Roman Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Protestantism. Collectively, protestantism pretains to any church which grew out of the Reformation.

I do not use the word to be offensive to any one, but only to distinguish it from Catholicism.

We are all brothers/sisters in Christ.

Peace,

Jean
Jean:

I can accept the use of the word Protestantism when used in that sense.

Now I do think the better word is simply Protestant. But Edwin said I was being nitpicky, and upon reflection I can accept that.

What I can not accept is the use of the word Protestantism in the sense of a super denomination with its own dogma and statement of faith.
 
Well then, perhaps this definition can help you understand the “commom ‘denominational’ demoninator.”
Tomster:

I think Protestants will disagree with your analysis.

Now I have heard on these forums that Catholics don’t like it when Protestants say they worship Mary and worship dead saints.

I suggest that you provide Protestants the same courtesy that Catholics ask from them.
 
Well, most simply, dogma is propositional truth the denial of which is impermissible according to a church’s confessional standards.

In this sense Protestants do have dogma.
Steadfast:

I agree that individual Protestant denominations often have dogma.

I disagree that there is such a thing as Protestantism dogma…
 
Tomster:

I think Protestants will disagree with your analysis.

Now I have heard on these forums that Catholics don’t like it when Protestants say they worship Mary and worship dead saints.

I suggest that you provide Protestants the same courtesy that Catholics ask from them.
You don’t see any difference there? At all?

I’m all for common courtesy, but I also think one should pick his/her battles. This is a non-issue even for protestants. I should know, I used to be one.
 
Maybe “Christians who don’t believe that sex with a condom is a mortal sin” could be the definition of Protestantism you asked about?!?!?!?!?
Hi mark:

I don’t know of any Protestants that believe using a condom is a mortal sin.

However I do know of Protestants that believe in mortal sin. I knew folks that told me that if the rapture came and I was committing a grave sin like playing cards or having a glass of wine, I would not be going up.

And I do know of Protestants that believe birth control (including natural methods) is a sin. I was in a church once a long time ago that believed this (see Bill Gothard).

So in theory, the two could be combined.

So there is nothing in theory that could stop me from starting a non-denominational Protestant church that combined these two beliefs. However, I would rate its possibility of success as low.
 
You don’t see any difference there? At all?

I’m all for common courtesy, but I also think one should pick his/her battles. This is a non-issue even for protestants. I should know, I used to be one.
Drilling4Truth.

Actually I do not see any difference there. At all.

Catholics do not believe that they worship Mary.

Protestants (the ones I hang with anyway…I do not speak for all of course) do not believe that their faith is rationalistic.

Both do not like it when others not of their faith enlighten them as to what they really believe.

Both are justified in having this aversion.

Thus I try not to do this with folks of other faiths. I would like it if I am extended the same courtesy I try to show others.
 
Steadfast:

I agree that individual Protestant denominations often have dogma.

I disagree that there is such a thing as Protestantism dogma…
Is it possible to be a Protestant Christian and deny the divinity of Christ?
 
Hi mark:

I don’t know of any Protestants that believe using a condom is a mortal sin.

And I do know of Protestants that believe birth control (including natural methods) is a sin. I was in a church once a long time ago that believed this (see Bill Gothard).
I am aware of the WELS Lutherans who teach this. Also of one Baptist. I’ve been told that Anglican Catholics believe this but I found no such teaching on their website.
So there is nothing in theory that could stop me from starting a non-denominational Protestant church that combined these two beliefs. However, I would rate its possibility of success as low.
As Mother Teresa said, “We’re not called to be successful, we’re called to be faithful.”
 
Is it possible to be a Protestant Christian and deny the divinity of Christ?
Point taken.

However that point of dogma is not unique to Protestants. So is it really Protestant dogma?

But maybe I am nitpicking again.

So I will gladly backtrack and say that I do not know of any Protestant dogma that is unique to Protestants.
 
Huh?

So Protestantism is protesting the Catholic church?

What if you are not protesting? Does that mean you are not Protestant? Who decides whether you are protesting or not? Do you have to agree to protest the Catholic church in order to be Protestant?

What about the Orthodox? Do they protest against the Catholic church? If so, do they believe in Protestantism.

“Ism” normally refers to a belief system. For example Methodism is the belief system of Methodists. Catholicism is the belief system of Catholics.

So what is the belief system of Protestants? Who enforces this belief system? What statement of faith must a church adhere to in order that its belief system be called Protestantism?
First of all lets get this straight, from your definitions appear to be reading some sort of denominations with the “ism’s”.
Catholic = Universal church of Jesus Christ. If you want to describe what the Catholic church is, “It is the body of Jesus Christ” on earth.

Protestantism from the original founders were proud of the name to “protest” the One Catholic church. Catholics refered to them as “Our seperated bretheren”. Catholics did not invent this word, the protestants did.

Protestantism does not mean the same today as it did when it first came into existance. It’s original meaning has changed some just as their founders doctrines have changed with the times.

So yes, Protestantism still identifies those church’s that still practice the sacraments that their original founders came from (Catholic) but remain seperated from the One Holy Catholic church.

Some examples would be, Anglican church, Lutherans, Methodist, Episcopalian, even the Eastern Orthodox, all though these are not officially from the 15th century. Many have splintered off from these and do not fall under the catergory of “protestantism” these would be identified as “non catholic” or by their self identification name such as the "LDS, JW’s. Seventh day adventist groups, non denominationals etc.
 
Point taken.

However that point of dogma is not unique to Protestants. So is it really Protestant dogma?

But maybe I am nitpicking again.

So I will gladly backtrack and say that I do not know of any Protestant dogma that is unique to Protestants.
Answer; INVALID SACRAMENTS AND HOLY ORDERS.Because they broke away from the Apostolic succession to the original apostles from scripture, and changed their christian belief’s from the original Catholic church Jesus built upon Peter.
 
Jean:

I can accept the use of the word Protestantism when used in that sense.

Now I do think the better word is simply Protestant. But Edwin said I was being nitpicky, and upon reflection I can accept that.

What I can not accept is the use of the word Protestantism in the sense of a super denomination with its own dogma and statement of faith.
Well, if I may repeat what I said before …
But to answer your question, I would say there are 3 conditions for “Protestantism”:
  • being Christian
  • accepting a certain canon of Scripture
  • accepting Sola Scriptura
 
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