What is Purgatory Like?

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I read this book several yrs ago that was written by a priest… and he (and those cited in the book) said that Purgatory is excrutiatingly painful, especially in the lower levels… Even Padre Pio spent an hour or so in Purgatory, as holy as he was (seemed to be). The usual length of time there is 40 yrs… :hypno: :hmmm:

i am wondering if you know anything further about Purgatory… preferably written by a saint?
 
40 years? The Catholic Church has never taught such a thing. We do not know how long we will suffer in purgatory.

2 Pet. 3:8–14. "But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day
 
Some recent theologians are of the opinion that the fire which both burns and saves is Christ himself, the Judge and Saviour. The encounter with him is the decisive act of judgement. Before his gaze all falsehood melts away. This encounter with him, as it burns us, transforms and frees us, allowing us to become truly ourselves. All that we build during our lives can prove to be mere straw, pure bluster, and it collapses. Yet in the pain of this encounter, when the impurity and sickness of our lives become evident to us, there lies salvation. His gaze, the touch of his heart heals us through an undeniably painful transformation “as through fire”. But it is a blessed pain, in which the holy power of his love sears through us like a flame, enabling us to become totally ourselves and thus totally of God. . .

It is clear that we cannot calculate the “duration” of this transforming burning in terms of the chronological measurements of this world. The transforming “moment” of this encounter eludes earthly time-reckoning—it is the heart’s time, it is the time of “passage” to communion with God in the Body of Christ.

Encyclical Spe Salvi
Benedict XVI​
 
This is a Ralphism, but there is a logic to it that I think the Church would accept. Purgatory’s fire, pain and suffering are different than Hell’s. I hold that the pain and fire we feel is our own burning desire to finally be with God. Once we are dead, our will becomes fixed, and we can begin purgation, if we are lucky. Once our will is fixed on God, our desire is to be with him. Having to wait intesifies our focus and our suffering.

In hell, it is our hatred for God that increases the external flames placed there for punishment.
 
Some recent theologians are of the opinion that the fire which both burns and saves is Christ himself, the Judge and Saviour. The encounter with him is the decisive act of judgement. Before his gaze all falsehood melts away. This encounter with him, as it burns us, transforms and frees us, allowing us to become truly ourselves. All that we build during our lives can prove to be mere straw, pure bluster, and it collapses. Yet in the pain of this encounter, when the impurity and sickness of our lives become evident to us, there lies salvation. His gaze, the touch of his heart heals us through an undeniably painful transformation “as through fire”. But it is a blessed pain, in which the holy power of his love sears through us like a flame, enabling us to become totally ourselves and thus totally of God. . .

It is clear that we cannot calculate the “duration” of this transforming burning in terms of the chronological measurements of this world. The transforming “moment” of this encounter eludes earthly time-reckoning—it is the heart’s time, it is the time of “passage” to communion with God in the Body of Christ.

Encyclical Spe Salvi
Benedict XVI​
Along those lines, Vincent;
usccb.org/comm/archives/2006/06-212.shtml
Father Tavard showed how purgatory has been understood by Catholics as both a place of punishment and a state of cleansing, perhaps even momentary, at the time of death. Among the mystics, the latter image has greater prominence inasmuch as final purgation means an encounter with the “fire” of divine love which removes the effects of sin on the human person.
 
I read this book several yrs ago that was written by a priest… and he (and those cited in the book) said that Purgatory is excrutiatingly painful, especially in the lower levels… Even Padre Pio spent an hour or so in Purgatory, as holy as he was (seemed to be). The usual length of time there is 40 yrs… :hypno: :hmmm:

i am wondering if you know anything further about Purgatory… preferably written by a saint?
This is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a while. I would equate this with pure gosip off the streets. The fact that purgatory is a fable cooked up by the church to make lots of $$$ and quickly is one thing, but piling on the extra baloney about what the place is like just really goes right off the cliff. And you wonder why there are so many ex-cradle Catholics out there.
 
This is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a while. I would equate this with pure gosip off the streets. The fact that purgatory is a fable cooked up by the church to make lots of $$$ and quickly is one thing, but piling on the extra baloney about what the place is like just really goes right off the cliff. And you wonder why there are so many ex-cradle Catholics out there.
So you can prove that the Jews of Jesus’s time had no concept of a clensing before you entered paradise?
 
( I hold that the pain and fire we feel is our own burning desire to finally be with God.

St. Catherine of Sienna said something similar, I believe.
 
SIA said: ""The fact that purgatory is a fable cooked up by the church to make lots of $$$ and quickly is one thing, “”

**A pretty theory that has no basis in reality.

The average stipend for a mass is $5-10.

There are only some 200 days that the average parish priest can accept a stipend for celebrating a mass for a particular intention.

Do the math.

(Just another example of the myth of the rich church.)**
 
Some recent theologians are of the opinion that the fire which both burns and saves is Christ himself, the Judge and Saviour. The encounter with him is the decisive act of judgement. Before his gaze all falsehood melts away. This encounter with him, as it burns us, transforms and frees us, allowing us to become truly ourselves. All that we build during our lives can prove to be mere straw, pure bluster, and it collapses. Yet in the pain of this encounter, when the impurity and sickness of our lives become evident to us, there lies salvation. His gaze, the touch of his heart heals us through an undeniably painful transformation “as through fire”. But it is a blessed pain, in which the holy power of his love sears through us like a flame, enabling us to become totally ourselves and thus totally of God. . .

It is clear that we cannot calculate the “duration” of this transforming burning in terms of the chronological measurements of this world. The transforming “moment” of this encounter eludes earthly time-reckoning—it is the heart’s time, it is the time of “passage” to communion with God in the Body of Christ.

Encyclical Spe Salvi
Benedict XVI​
Actually, this sound like what I felt like when I gave myself over completely to Shrist at my return to him after long years of apostocy from him. Is it possible to go through purgatory while you’re still alive?
 
This is a Ralphism, but there is a logic to it that I think the Church would accept. Purgatory’s fire, pain and suffering are different than Hell’s. I hold that the pain and fire we feel is our own burning desire to finally be with God. Once we are dead, our will becomes fixed, and we can begin purgation, if we are lucky. Once our will is fixed on God, our desire is to be with him. Having to wait intesifies our focus and our suffering.

In hell, it is our hatred for God that increases the external flames placed there for punishment.
I don’t need purgatory to have these feelings, I’ve had them from the moment I gave myself over to him. Each and everyday since I’ve had a burning desire to be near him.
 
( I hold that the pain and fire we feel is our own burning desire to finally be with God.

St. Catherine of Sienna said something similar, I believe.
Oh. good. If she said it, I am in good company.

Wait, I wonder if that was where I got that. I know that I did not read it, as I have not read much by or about her. I probably heard it somewhere.
 
I don’t need purgatory to have these feelings, I’ve had them from the moment I gave myself over to him. Each and everyday since I’ve had a burning desire to be near him.
And your purgation may be on earth. Not everyone loses attachment to sin while living.
 
I read this book several yrs ago that was written by a priest… and he (and those cited in the book) said that Purgatory is excrutiatingly painful, especially in the lower levels… Even Padre Pio spent an hour or so in Purgatory, as holy as he was (seemed to be). The usual length of time there is 40 yrs… :hypno: :hmmm:

i am wondering if you know anything further about Purgatory… preferably written by a saint?
First, don’t believe everything you read. The Church strongly recommends you to learn the Catholic Faith so that you don’t fall into error. I recommend the Catechism of the Catholic Church - it is the presenation of the Church’s teachings, and while it is not infallible, every Catholic is required to accept what is written in it (since it’s Church teaching).

Now, it is left up to theologians about how Purgatory “works”, whether it has lesser fire in one stage and greater fire in another, or whether it has stages at all, and so forth. It’s all theological speculation and personal meditation, not Church teaching.

I don’t know if Padre Pio was actually in Purgatory, but I do know that Canonization means the saint is in heaven and, unless I’m mistaken, it means the saint went immediately into heaven, i.e., not through purgatory to heaven but went directly to heaven after death.

There is no time in Purgatory. Purgatory, like Heaven and Hell, is timeless. The Church has never taught there is no time in the world to come, because there actually isn’t any time. Being spiritual words, they are eternal, without time, so placing times on them would be ridiculous and contrary to the truth. You must be referring to the old, old method of indulgences, such as “If you say this prayer, you will be lessened in Purgatory by this many years”. Those methods of indulgences are no longer practiced in the Church because (a) they were confusing and (b) they did not, as some confused them to be, refer to the length of stay in Purgatory but rather to the length it was necessary to do the prayer or penance. Now, imagine a prayer requiring you to say it for a thousand years. Can you imagine how impossible that would be? Yet indulgences like that existed, and so, the Church had to stop it.

Finally, I encourage you to be cautious about what you read, whether its from Priests or theologians or whoever. Just because someone has a certain office in the Church - even the Pope - dose not mean they are free from error. (The Pope only exercises his infallibility in the given circumstances, not every time he speaks or writes as some Catholics think) So learn the Catholic Faith and be careful what you read. You don’t want to read stuff like Father Gobbi’s book, which is full of heresies and departures from the Catholic Faith (“Jesus will come again in glory in the year 2000,” as one verse in his book states!).
 
40 years? The Catholic Church has never taught such a thing. We do not know how long we will suffer in purgatory.

2 Pet. 3:8–14. "But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day
i never said the church taught that… Some saint (i think) said that… and i know we don’t have to accept everything a saint says as gospel truth… but this person was very reliable… I don’t recall whom it was but i don’t read trash… i try to always read books that have an imprimatur/nihil obstat on it…
 
Some recent theologians are of the opinion that the fire which both burns and saves is Christ himself, the Judge and Saviour. The encounter with him is the decisive act of judgement. Before his gaze all falsehood melts away. This encounter with him, as it burns us, transforms and frees us, allowing us to become truly ourselves. All that we build during our lives can prove to be mere straw, pure bluster, and it collapses. Yet in the pain of this encounter, when the impurity and sickness of our lives become evident to us, there lies salvation. His gaze, the touch of his heart heals us through an undeniably painful transformation “as through fire”. But it is a blessed pain, in which the holy power of his love sears through us like a flame, enabling us to become totally ourselves and thus totally of God. . .

It is clear that we cannot calculate the “duration” of this transforming burning in terms of the chronological measurements of this world. The transforming “moment” of this encounter eludes earthly time-reckoning—it is the heart’s time, it is the time of “passage” to communion with God in the Body of Christ.

Encyclical Spe Salvi
Benedict XVI​
This is so beautiful…

This is what i have been going through @ the Real Presence but was not able to put it in such beautiful words…

Thanks 🙂
 
This is a Ralphism, but there is a logic to it that I think the Church would accept. Purgatory’s fire, pain and suffering are different than Hell’s. I hold that the pain and fire we feel is our own burning desire to finally be with God. Once we are dead, our will becomes fixed, and we can begin purgation, if we are lucky. Once our will is fixed on God, our desire is to be with him. Having to wait intesifies our focus and our suffering.

In hell, it is our hatred for God that increases the external flames placed there for punishment.
What is “Ralphism”??

i think the fire is more than our desire to be with God… though i know it is that also…

it is our soul changing from sinful to pure… and we never know how sinful we are until we are with Christ - for a good long time…

that reminds me: Do you know the answer to this question?

Why do so few Catholics (that i know) spend time with Jesus at the Blessed Sacrament?

i think this is negligence… & makes a person’s time in Purgatory longer & more painful… Jesus wants us to be purified Here! where it can do good for ourselves & others - those who have to live with us… :eek: 😃
 
This is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a while. I would equate this with pure gosip off the streets. The fact that purgatory is a fable cooked up by the church to make lots of $$$ and quickly is one thing, but piling on the extra baloney about what the place is like just really goes right off the cliff. And you wonder why there are so many ex-cradle Catholics out there.
No, this is the most ridiculous thing i have heard in awhile…

You are not God… You don’t know things that you are presuming to know…

you are someone who undoubtedly has never spent much time in the Real Presence of Christ… or you would know how terrible a sinner you really are… and how much time you need to spend with Him iin order to get straightened out…
 
This is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a while. I would equate this with pure gosip off the streets. The fact that purgatory is a fable cooked up by the church to make lots of $$$ and quickly is one thing, but piling on the extra baloney about what the place is like just really goes right off the cliff. And you wonder why there are so many ex-cradle Catholics out there.
one time i wanted a Mass said for someone i loved who had just died. I was willing to pay the priest the usual $10… Because he knew my financial situation, he said i didn’t have to pay it…

You sound like someone who just believes all the anti-Catholic nonsense that is “out there”… (& is it ever NONSENSE!!! ) Just because something is printed in black and white doesn’t make it true… or just because it is said on some radio program or whatever…

Learn about catholicism from true Catholics… Then you will know what Catholicism really is…
 
Actually, this sound like what I felt like when I gave myself over completely to Shrist at my return to him after long years of apostocy from him. Is it possible to go through purgatory while you’re still alive?
of course… Every time a person sin, there is loss of grace… a loss of oiur intimacy w/God (Christ)… and that is, of course, very painful… but we can offer this suffering up in expiation, offer it up for the souls in Purgatory… or for conversions… Suffering does not have to be and should not be wasted…

anyone who really loves Christ & does everything He says or tries to, is going to be in Purgatory… and that is as it should be… because the saints tell us God wants us to do our purg here on EArth… If we wait to purify ourselves until death, the process will be far more painful… & here on Earth, it can, obviously, do others a lot of good…

I think the Catholic way of suffering and joining our sufferings with those of Christ (past & presnet)… is so beautiful… We get to be another Jesus… when we offer our sufferings for conversions… (etc)… and when we join in Christ’s sufferings, it bonds us to Him more deeply, more permanently, more profoundly… 🙂
 
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