What is really Pro-Life?

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For me, Pro-Life really means protecting all of Gods children, for we are created in the image of God

Pro-Life stands up for unborn babies in the womb. We are their voices.

Pro-Life stands up for children after their born. Meaning, protecting their rights, even when the government says they have no rights. (Separating children from their families, etc.)

Pro-Life means protecting children at schools from Gun violence. (What is being done to stop this NRA?)

Pro-Life means stopping the death penalty. Who are we to play God, especially if a person has been innocently convicted!

Pro-Life means helping the poor that really need help. Letting people starve and be homeless is not Pro-Life. Cutting off welfare programs to those really in need.

Pro-Life means being anti-war unless there’s an immediate real threat to our survival. Haven’t seen this since the cold war.

Pro-Life means not enabling guns to be available to everybody. Guns ownership takes great responsibility, but many don’t lock them up safely, or there can be a mental breakdown, etc…

Pro-Life is giving people a livable wage when a company can afford to, instead of hoarding millions and billions. How many billions do you need to be happy you wealthy?

What other real Pro-Life issues do others suggest?
 
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A lot of these are opinions- and here, you’re going to get a lot of people arguing that your definitions aren’t accurate. To be pro-life, in the strictest sense of the term, is to oppose abortion. Trying to turn it into a gun control and anti-death penalty issue is to go outside the bounds of the popular terminology.
 
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A lot of these are opinions- and here, you’re going to get a lot of people arguing that your definitions aren’t accurate. To be pro-life, in the strictest sense of the term, is to oppose abortion. Trying to turn it into a gun control and anti-death penalty issue is to go outside the bounds of the popular terminology.
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So what your saying a person who says is Pro-Life is really just anti-obrtion only. I get it now. 🙂

For me, Pro-Life really means protecting all of Gods children, for we are created in the image of God.
 
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No, I said that the popular terminology refers strictly to the issue of abortion. I can’t say that I appreciate having words put in my mouth. You wouldn’t have me believe that being “pro-choice” refers to anything but the abortion issue, would you? Considering the fact that people who label themselves as such often oppose school choice, gun ownership, sugary drinks and the like?

The terms refer to the same single issue. Use another word to describe your particular worldview.
 
I said that you should use a different term instead of trying to insert issues you’re particularly passionate about into an existing term that strictly refers to one issue.

Quit trying to make this about me and focus on bettering your terminology.
 
Just find a term that’s more inclusive. Since pro-life encompasses one single issue, as the pro-choice position does, you need to use a term that’s more broad.
 
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You think Jesus would want guns in every persons hands?
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Since they are simply material objects that are neither good nor evil, I doubt that He would care.

What He cares about is what He always cares about, the interior disposition of the heart.

Thus it is not the gun itself, but like any material object, ir is what the person intents to use it for; good, or for evil. And thus it is the INTENT more than the object that Christ would care about.
 
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Thom18 said:
Just find a term that’s more inclusive. Since pro-life encompasses one single issue, as the pro-choice position does, you need to use a term that’s more broad.
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I can’t think of any other that sounds as good as Pro-Life. 🙂
 
EvangelistVictor said:
For me, Pro-Life really means protecting all of Gods children, for we are created in the image of God

Pro-Life stands up for unborn babies in the womb. We are their voices.

…(non-pro-life issues snipped)
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Pro-life is anti-abortion and anti-euthanasia. These are pro-life because these are inherently non-negotiable and their net objective is the intentional death of the innocent and the helpless.

Capital punishment is not a pro-life issue. Neither is poverty. Neither is gun control. Neither is wages.

Capital punishment is not a pro-life issue because the historic teaching of the Church is that capital punishment is not inherently immoral. Whether a state should implement it or not is another question but it’s not a moral one. Stopping it for fear of a miscarriage of justice is a laudable goal, and one well taken, but it is not a pro-life issue, or a moral one. It’s most certainly a prudent one. But the infliction of death on a guilty person whose crime deserves it is not unjust or immoral. This is Catholic moral teaching, and cannot be changed.

Helping the poor is a moral imperative. Jesus had harsh warnings for those who ignored the poor. But how to help the poor can have many opinions, and this is more properly a social doctrine issue. Yes, people die due to extreme poverty, but in justice, we cannot say that they were murdered. Yes, their deaths maybe partially due to the selfishness of other human beings, and that must be seriously addressed, but unless the intent can be proven, we cannot say other human beings intended for them to die.

War is to be detested, but is not inherently immoral, and the Church has laid down the Just War Doctrine. It is an issue surrounding peace, but is not a pro-life issue. Wars can be legitimately waged, and people die in war.

Gun control is an issue that quite frankly has the rest of the world shaking their heads at the insanity of American love of guns. But that is not a pro-life issue. Firearms can be justly used in the legitimate defence of one’s life, and that of his family.

Living wage is a question of justice, and everyone should be justly paid. But this ties into poverty, and is more a social justice issue.

It’s not good to just expand the use of a well-defined term for other passionate causes. Classify them accordingly, but pro-life is primarily for the unborn and the elderly/sick vulnerable. It’s important to keep that limitation to ensure we know what we’re fighting for. Otherwise, we risk the term’s loss of impact, and our enemies will simply use it as an equal term to “far-righter”. One can be pro-life and still be for capital punishment, or own a handgun.
 
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Thom18 said:
You honestly can’t think of a term that, in popular usage, allows for a wider variety of subjects?

A word loses its emotional connotation when used incorrectly
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Hence, the question of my post is: "What is really Pro-Life? "

My purpose what to make us think about the deeper meaning of the sanctity of the humankind.
 
Well written OP.

To me, pro-life is simple. It is not against life, which must be sanctified.

In reality, pro-life is against artificial birth control and abortion.

Others are debatable and thus can be politicised.
 
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EvangelistVictor said:
My purpose what to make us think about the deeper meaning of the sanctity of the humankind.
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Could’ve fooled me. It seems an awful lot like a political ploy.

If you really want to lump gun control (stopping everyone from owning firearms, without regard for what they intend to do with them) and the death penalty (which has legitimate use, especially in undeveloped countries) in under a term we already understand to mean “in opposition to the murders of innocents” (in particular, the unborn)- feel free. But you better add a lot more than what you have there. For example:

Pro-life means being against sugary drinks over 16 ounces, and raising taxes on or banning all such beverages to deter their consumption.

Pro-life means being against cars that go over a certain speed, especially sports cars, since some people race them on public roads.

Pro-life means being against all vehicles that don’t break down after the smallest incident to stop people from running over entire crowds.

You catch my drift. The OP just comes off as a political appeal trying to run off the energy of the real pro-life cause. And when I say “real”, I mean real as in “real decision” (look that up if you need to). Honestly, if someone asked you if you were pro-life, what do you think they would have in mind? If you asked someone if they were pro-choice, how do you think they would understand your question?

Maybe pro-life individuals can support some of your ideas (if they support individual liberties, though, you’ll get a lot of opposition). Your case isn’t helped, though, when you try to hijack the cause.
 
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i think “pro-life” means protecting the most innocent of life…

the pre-born

am i missing something?

your “post” seems left-wing politically agenda driven
 
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You can expand the definition of pro-life if you like, but we still need to focus special attention on abortion because it causes the death of millions each year, a lot of people think it’s okay, and it is allowed by law. Compare that to gun violence, which kills fewer people, which most people understand to be a bad thing, and which is discouraged by law. Big difference. Let’s not water down our efforts to end abortion.
 
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Let’s not water down our efforts to end abortion.
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I want abortion to end also. But let be real about the matter. Republicans held majorities in the House and Senate, and the White House. Did they end abortion? No!!

I voted Republican for 10 years, and no progress was made. Instead we got ourselves in to wars, invading countries, mass school shootings, economic collapse in 2008, and now racism at an all time level never seen since the civil rights era.
 
EvangelistVictor said:
as a believer and follow of Christ and his Catholic
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i am one of those; but imho; STOPPING abortion should be the priority of the Vatican

not meddling in certain nation’s politics with regard to 'gun control" and 'illegal immigration"
 
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