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MindOverMatter2
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God is nowhere. There is no specific place where God is. God is the act of reality (esse); the act of reality does not exist in a place, but rather he is that which is required so that “places” can exist.
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GEddie
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Not really, although HE can reveal himself to you. Heaven is more a form of being than a place; you cannot experience it as a mortal human being.
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Jaaanosik
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God is nowhere?
Did you forget that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit? God is in you!
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TimothyH
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I’m not sure that Jesus was homeless.
When Jesus returned to Capernaum after some days, it became known that he was at home. (Mark 2:1)
Jesus’ base of operations was Capernaum on the north shore of the Sea of Galille. This is where Peter and his mother-inlaw lived. There is a thriving tourism market in the area and one can visit Peter’s house right across the street from the Synagogue where Jesus supposedly gave the Bread of Life discourse.
Jesus’ words about nowhere to lay his head were spoken as he traveled through Samaria on his way to Jerusalem. Jews had no dealings with Samarians at that time, and considered them unclean, no better than dogs, Jesus mentions foxes, which are a type of dog, and that even they have dens - places to rest. Jesus mentions birds, which in the Bible often represented the Gentiles, and the fact that even the birds/Gentiles have nests - places to rest. But Jesus has no rest. He has a mission, to go to Jerusalem to die for mankind. He goes on to talk about putting one’s hand to the plow and not looking back and such things, and such is his mission.
It helps to understand the geography of the land of Cannan, especially the Via Maris (Way of the Sea or “King’s Highway”) which was an ancient trade route which ran along the eastern shore of the Sea of Galillee. The Via Maris linked Egypt in the south to the northern nations of Assyria/Persia and ran right through the heart of Israel. This highway was the only way to get through the area and fought over visciously through the ages even to our present times. Even today, if you want to go to Capernaum from Jerusalem you have to drive on the Via Maris to get there. Capernaum was on the Via Maris and as it was also on the shore of the Sea of Galilee, it had easy access to all the cities of Israel and Samaria, as well as access to the Gentile cities such as Tyre and Sidon to the northwest.
When the crowd saw that neither Jesus nor his disciples were there, they themselves got into boats and came to Capernaum looking for Jesus. (John 6:24)
When Jesus dissapears, people naturally go looking for him in Capernaum. His base of operations was clearly there, and scripture tells us that it was Jesus’ custom to go to the synagogue there. The synagogue in Capernaum is where he gives the Bread of Life discourse.
So I’m not too confident about the claim which some make that Jesus was homeless. Here is a good link which describes some of why Jesus chose Capernaum, including the reference to the “Land of Naphthali” in Isaiah. I’m not sure that it is a Catholic site so take it with a grain of salt but it seems orthodox in it’s teaching about Caperneum as Jesus’ home.
churchisraelforum.com/capernaum_Jesus’_home.htm
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GEddie
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It is believed that HE lived with S. Peter in Kefar Nahum, ie, had no home of His own.
(S. Peter’s home there, or the remnants of it, can be seen to this day.)
Not homeless as we understand the term, but HIS home was in Heaven, and HE knew HIS mission would send HIM back there young. Getting into the Israeli real-estate market was never on HIS to-do list; HIS life was about eternal life.
N.B. One does not, today, go east of the Sea of Galilee to travel from Kefar Nahum to Jerusalem.
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(S. Peter’s home there, or the remnants of it, can be seen to this day.)
Not homeless as we understand the term, but HIS home was in Heaven, and HE knew HIS mission would send HIM back there young. Getting into the Israeli real-estate market was never on HIS to-do list; HIS life was about eternal life.
N.B. One does not, today, go east of the Sea of Galilee to travel from Kefar Nahum to Jerusalem.
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Mudgely
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Currently in the Castro District in San Francisco. At least that was the last sighting. There is an annual hunky Jesus contest in Dolores Park right near there.
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prodigalson2011
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I was willing to be civil with your pseudo-intellectual condescension on other threads, but now you’re being blatantly disrespectful of everyone here. You have been reported.
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Alberti_Devoveo
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One can’t visit heaven until they are deceased. It is possible, though, to meet God.
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MindOverMatter2
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I know that I am a temple of the holy spirit; but that has nothing to do with God filling a particular space. God is not a physical object, and thus It is meaningless to speak of God residing somewhere. God permeates space; that is not the same thing as being in space.
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tonyrey
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A question can be a non sequitur!
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Jaaanosik
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… then it seems ‘everywhere’ would be more aligned with the concept of permeating space than ‘nowhere’.
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Mudgely
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Thank you. But reported to whom, the hall monitor?
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prodigalson2011
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The forum moderators. Respect for the Catholic faith is a requirement for participation in these forums. You really should have been reported a long time ago, but that’s the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. If you want to make a mockery of our faith, do it elsewhere. No one here thinks you’re clever.
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MindOverMatter2
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Whatever floats your boat. What I am trying to say is that God does not take up space with his body. Space is a creation of God. In the absence of space, where is God? Nowhere. In one sense God is nowhere, and in another sense God is everywhere; but he is not everywhere in the same way a physical object would be. He does not “fill” space, but rather God is the act of reality in which space has its being. He permeates space insofar as it is the case that there is no place where the “act of reality” is not present.
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tonyrey
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Absolute faith in one’s own disbelief corrupts as absolutely as absolute power and is the direct cause not only of mockery but intolerance and injustice as we are discovering in the UK…
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prodigalson2011
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Tony, I don’t know how old you are, but I would love to have you as a wise old grandfather. lol.
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cho_pilo
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What best can be achieved , in the lifetime ?
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tonyrey
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Thanks, you not so prodigal grandson! I’ll send you a pm…Tony, I don’t know how old you are, but I would love to have you as a wise old grandfather. lol.
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