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Jacob_F
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For example: Pontifical, Solemn High, Sung, and Low.
Please and thank you!
Please and thank you!
What is the average lengths of the different levels of the Traditional Latin Mass?
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Ammo
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I suppose the length of the sermons, Gospel, and size of parish, i.e., cycling everyone through communion, etc. would vary all the times. I’ve seen low masses at times last approx. 45 minutes, and high masses 1 1/2 hours. Quality! Not quantity!
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Quality! Not quantity!
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Ammo
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Ecclesiastes 3
1All things have their season, and in their times all things pass under heaven.
2A time to be born and a time to die. A time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted.
3A time to kill, and a time to heal. A time to destroy, and a time to build.
4A time to weep, and a time to laugh. A time to mourn, and a time to dance.
5A time to scatter stones, and a time to gather. A time to embrace, and a time to be far from embraces.
6A time to get, and a time to lose. A time to keep, and a time to cast away.
7A time to rend, and a time to sew. A time to keep silence, and a time to speak.
8A time of love, and a time of hatred. A time of war, and a time of peace.
22And I have found that nothing is better than for a man to rejoice in his work, and that this is his portion. For who shall bring him to know the things that shall be after him?
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MissRose73
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Most High Masses / Missa Cantatas I have attended are about an hour long just like a typical Ordinary Form Mass. Low Masses, it depends on the length of the homily & how many go for Communion and most I’ve been to have lasted 45 minutes to an hour. I went to a Solemn High Mass one time, and it lasted about 1 hour 15 minutes. The Requiem Mass that was a Missa Cantata / High Mass for All Souls Day was about 1 hour 30 minutes long but the homily wasn’t long and there were not many that went for Communion either.
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Rich_C
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In my limited experience:
Low: 50 minutes
High: 1 hour, 15 minutes
Solemn, 1 hour, 30 minutes
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Rich_C
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Oh, and Midnight Mass at St. Alphonsus in Baltimore was 2 hours long!
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Fiasco
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Ditto (at least for the FSSP), especially for the Solemn High Mass.
You lucky devil!
Before experiencing a TLM Solemn High Mass, i wondered how the Eastern Orthodox Mass could last 3 hours. Not any more!
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Kielbasi
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Your high masses are definitely longer than the low masses.
A low mass on a weekday without a homily can be said in as little as 20 minutes. On Sunday, its a minimum of 45 minutes for a low mass, at least an hour for the high mass.
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Jacob_F
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Thanks Guys and Gals, this helps me immensely. I’m doing some in depth research into the Latin Mass, and knowing how long they typically last helps.
Now I am used to the Ordinary Form and their homilies in my experience last maybe 5-15 minutes, in the Extraordinary Form would you say Homilies are longer?
Now I am used to the Ordinary Form and their homilies in my experience last maybe 5-15 minutes, in the Extraordinary Form would you say Homilies are longer?
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YoungTradCath
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No, not really.
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ProVobis
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At “my” EF/OF parish, the homilies are exactly the same, even at the Spanish Mass I am presuming.
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YoungCanRCMale
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I’ll chime in too being an occasional EF server that has started with the torchbearer position at Solemn masses (hoping to increase in future) as it can depend on the form and also the server regimen and choir.
Lowest Level - Missa Lecta or Low/Mass (possibly Dialogue Mass depening if you follow Summorum Pontificum to a T) - 30 to 45 min depending on the priests’ speed and if they give a weekday sermon. Also there’s only one server doing the minimum basic mass usually so no delays. Also no choir singing parts. Optional after mass is the Leonine prayers (A marian prayer, St. Michael, and another) so that might delay things though it’s not truly attached to the Mass. It’s after the Mass so it is optional to both the laity and the priest. Though if he does choose to do it, do consider praying it with him as we need the strength of St. Michael more than ever in our world against the Devil and his minions !!!
Medium Level - Missa Cantata or Sung Latin/High Mass - anywhere from 1 hr to 1.5 hours. Always done on Sundays so there is automatically a Homily. Usually only one Priest. Also the Choir sings various parts and this lengthens the Mass. There’s also a corps usually of a Cross Bearer, thurifer, a Master of Ceremonies (head server) and two acolytes present with possibly more servers if allowed. They do more than usual so it will also lengthen the time. Also if it is Sunday on certain times of the year, there is a pre-Mass ritual called the Asperges where the priest blesses the congregation with holy water.
Highest normally seen level - MIssa Solemnis or High Solemn Mass - Anywhere from 1.5 Hours to 2 hours. These masses are done on Sundays if desired, but many times on Major Feast days and Solemnities and the Holiest days of the Liturgical Year. Contains the full regiment of a Priest, Deacon (priest or truely ordained permanent Deacon), Subdeacon (Also can be priest or Deacon), Up to two master of ceremonies (as was my last Mass at Candlemass due to the amount of servers and things involved), two acolytes, boatbearer, thurifer (possible alternates if there is a procession involved), and optional Torchbearers of anywhere from 2 to 6 servers. The torchbearers will lengthen the liturgy slightly as they must process to get and return their torches, and they might also do additional tasks in the liturgy (e.g. “guard” the Communion rails and provide light, light up the candlemas torches, fetch things …). Also the Choirs usually sing their most powerful and lengthy pieces on these days, and if the liturgy says to sing additional pieces or prayers, the choir does so. Homily always. Also Asperges can be done too if Sunday on certain times of the year. Plus this is likely the kind of mass done on the big days, like the Triduum so just being the Triduum, you know. Also the feast day/solemnity might have an addition to the Liturgy (e.g. blessing of Candles on Candlemas, Ash Wednesday ashes) so it adds time.
Missa Pontificum - Pontifical Mass - This is not usually available to the public becuase it involves a Bishop coming in. You’d see this only for Confirmation, or in the rare instance like Bishop Wenski’s recent Candlemas 2012 in Sarasota Florida at an FSSP parish (www.livemass.net for a recording of it). We have yet to see the Pope or someone in his inner circle do it in the world or in Rome. Anyways, while I’ve never been, that one is the grandest of all, with a bucket load of servers and the three Clergy positions and the Bishop And well that mass on the FSSP site was OVER TWO HOURS!!! Can’t say much more than that though I’d love to experience one in the EF someday. Maybe in Ontario with Collins elevated to Cardinal it will happen in Canada ??? Nah I’m just Dreaming.
Hope this helps and I guess Casey will be closing this thread soon due to “question answered”. I like when he does that.
Lowest Level - Missa Lecta or Low/Mass (possibly Dialogue Mass depening if you follow Summorum Pontificum to a T) - 30 to 45 min depending on the priests’ speed and if they give a weekday sermon. Also there’s only one server doing the minimum basic mass usually so no delays. Also no choir singing parts. Optional after mass is the Leonine prayers (A marian prayer, St. Michael, and another) so that might delay things though it’s not truly attached to the Mass. It’s after the Mass so it is optional to both the laity and the priest. Though if he does choose to do it, do consider praying it with him as we need the strength of St. Michael more than ever in our world against the Devil and his minions !!!
Medium Level - Missa Cantata or Sung Latin/High Mass - anywhere from 1 hr to 1.5 hours. Always done on Sundays so there is automatically a Homily. Usually only one Priest. Also the Choir sings various parts and this lengthens the Mass. There’s also a corps usually of a Cross Bearer, thurifer, a Master of Ceremonies (head server) and two acolytes present with possibly more servers if allowed. They do more than usual so it will also lengthen the time. Also if it is Sunday on certain times of the year, there is a pre-Mass ritual called the Asperges where the priest blesses the congregation with holy water.
Highest normally seen level - MIssa Solemnis or High Solemn Mass - Anywhere from 1.5 Hours to 2 hours. These masses are done on Sundays if desired, but many times on Major Feast days and Solemnities and the Holiest days of the Liturgical Year. Contains the full regiment of a Priest, Deacon (priest or truely ordained permanent Deacon), Subdeacon (Also can be priest or Deacon), Up to two master of ceremonies (as was my last Mass at Candlemass due to the amount of servers and things involved), two acolytes, boatbearer, thurifer (possible alternates if there is a procession involved), and optional Torchbearers of anywhere from 2 to 6 servers. The torchbearers will lengthen the liturgy slightly as they must process to get and return their torches, and they might also do additional tasks in the liturgy (e.g. “guard” the Communion rails and provide light, light up the candlemas torches, fetch things …). Also the Choirs usually sing their most powerful and lengthy pieces on these days, and if the liturgy says to sing additional pieces or prayers, the choir does so. Homily always. Also Asperges can be done too if Sunday on certain times of the year. Plus this is likely the kind of mass done on the big days, like the Triduum so just being the Triduum, you know. Also the feast day/solemnity might have an addition to the Liturgy (e.g. blessing of Candles on Candlemas, Ash Wednesday ashes) so it adds time.
Missa Pontificum - Pontifical Mass - This is not usually available to the public becuase it involves a Bishop coming in. You’d see this only for Confirmation, or in the rare instance like Bishop Wenski’s recent Candlemas 2012 in Sarasota Florida at an FSSP parish (www.livemass.net for a recording of it). We have yet to see the Pope or someone in his inner circle do it in the world or in Rome. Anyways, while I’ve never been, that one is the grandest of all, with a bucket load of servers and the three Clergy positions and the Bishop And well that mass on the FSSP site was OVER TWO HOURS!!! Can’t say much more than that though I’d love to experience one in the EF someday. Maybe in Ontario with Collins elevated to Cardinal it will happen in Canada ??? Nah I’m just Dreaming.
Hope this helps and I guess Casey will be closing this thread soon due to “question answered”. I like when he does that.
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YoungCanRCMale
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Depends on the week in the Liturgy, the priest, if there is something important they must use their Homily for, etc.
I went to a Missa Cantata two weeks ago and the homily was only about 10 minutes long. It was short and touched on a couple of topics such as why the church/parish is essential to Catholicism (with a bit of apologietics against the Youtube video Why I love Jesus but hate [organized] religion), and the rest was about contributing donations to the parish (yes even EF parishes do it too lol!) to allow for upkeep of the EF/TLM and to open up a side entramce to make entering the church easier for elderly and disabled people.
However, at the Solemn masses I’ve been to, the homilies are more in the 15-20 minute mark. These ones focused on the solemnity/feast day e.g. All Saints, Candlemas, Corpus Christi so they were longer. Also if you are an American reader and you do go to an EF parish or will attempt to, likely some of the priests will, at least once, be preaching on the invasion of your moral consciences that Obama is doing with his forced contraception insurance mandate. I bet probably in its initial appearance, during those weeks when the Bishops started to fight back verbally, EF parishes lengthened their sermons to “rally the troops” so to speak. So something like that would lengthen the homily and be a necessary issue whereby the priest partially focuses or does not focus on the readings for a grave reason.
However, as a whole, expect more longer sermons on average than the Novus Ordo, and even homilies on weekdays (usually about the Saints and the virtues they exhibited in their life), and ones with more theologically correct and sound content that isn’t wishy washy “Let’s all love like Jesus” liberal garbage. They don’t skim on that!
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