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[Padres1969]

OK:shrug:

So then how would YOU have us classify non-Catholic Christians if NOT “protestants”?

The term by the way means to PROTEST [Catholicism]

God Bless you,

Patrick

You could always call them by their faith groupings, Anglican, Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist, etc… since there does tend to be some fairly big differences between them. And of course Orthodox, Assyrian, Oriental Christians are not Protestant anymore than the Catholic Chirch is Protestant.

 

[peter26]

Orthodox, Miaphysites, Assyrians,Old Catholics, and Mormons are not Protestant. The word “Protestant” arose in a particular historical context and refers to certain “theological families” that originated within that context - principally the Lutheran lineage, the Anglican lineage, the Reformed lineage, and the Anabaptist lineage.

Many Anglicans would reject the term “protestant”.

 

[Zabdi_Premjit]

Many Anglicans would reject the term “protestant”.

Yes, they would reject it, but that is contrary to the way “Protestant” is generally and historically used. Most non-Anglicans and many Anglicans consider them Protestant, and they tend to be considered Protestants in academia too. There is also a whole lineage of Protestant movements that descend from the English Reformation: Anglicanism, Methodism, the Holiness Movement, Pentecostalism.

I was commenting more on what is generally seen as a “Protestant.” Some may disagree. Still, the more pertinent point was that non all non-Catholics are “Protestant.”

 

[Little_Sheep]

A couple come to mind for me:

1) That we consider Catholics to be the enemy.
Most evangelicals I know don’t think about Catholicism or mention it at all, and when they do, they know Catholicism teaches different things but most consider Catholics to be fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. In fact, I consider Catholicism to be somewhat of a big brother/mentor from whom I can enhance my faith in Christ.

*Note: The only exception I can think of are the radical fundamentalists, who consider everyone not like them to be in error and in risk of eternal damnation. *

Most evangelical Christians I know are just every day folks who are doing their best to love and serve Jesus and seek God’s help in their daily lives and struggles with their families, work, and other aspects of their lives. Catholicism rarely, if ever, even crosses their minds. Many would consider Catholicism to be just another Christian denomination to choose from – not a big arch-enemy or anything like that.

**2) That we somehow disrespect or hate the Virgin Mary. **
While Protestants don’t pray to Mary, no evangelical that I know speaks badly of her. They just tend to focus on her Son and not her. I realize that Catholics might consider the lack of attention to be a form of abandonment or neglect, but I think most protestants want to steer clear of anything that might be construed as being worship or adoration of her.

Great response! I am in community with a lot of Southern Baptists and your points are 100% spot on, imho.

 

[Peter_J]

Many Anglicans would reject the term “protestant”.

Yes, they would reject it, but that is contrary to the way “Protestant” is generally and historically used. Most non-Anglicans and many Anglicans consider them Protestant, and they tend to be considered Protestants in academia too. There is also a whole lineage of Protestant movements that descend from the English Reformation: Anglicanism, Methodism, the Holiness Movement, Pentecostalism.

Not sure I can agree with everyone you said there. However, I note that Fr. Hart calls Anglicans “Protestants” and has an interesting explanation IMO.

 

[Zabdi_Premjit]

Not sure I can agree with everyone you said there. However, I note that Fr. Hart calls Anglicans “Protestants” and has an interesting explanation IMO.

Thank you, Peter J, for linking us to interesting view from an Anglican perspective.

 

[TC3033]

That our churches are rock concerts and we only care about being entertained.

As a worship musician, telling me this is a great way to send my blood pressure into orbit.

I see this one a lot and it always draws a little chuckle. The church that I grew up in (non-denominational) actually didn’t allow music.

Other misconception I see, at least in my case, is that all non-denom churches are “mega” churches when really, that’s hardly the case.

 

[Lady_Tanzanite]

That we are “protesting” the Catholic Church. Why the term Protestant is even still used baffles me. The majority of non-Catholic Christians aren’t protesting anything.

Also, that every non-Catholic Christian believes in “once saved, always saved.” I still don’t know if I believe that or not, but I’m definitely not as unwavering in that belief as I once was.

 

[PJM]

A couple come to mind for me:

1) That we consider Catholics to be the enemy.
Most evangelicals I know don’t think about Catholicism or mention it at all, and when they do, they know Catholicism teaches different things but most consider Catholics to be fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. In fact, I consider Catholicism to be somewhat of a big brother/mentor from whom I can enhance my faith in Christ.

Thanks Tommy, That is a refreshing and most welcome position.

*Note: The only exception I can think of are the radical fundamentalists, who consider everyone not like them to be in error and in risk of eternal damnation. *

Yea, I’ve encountered a few of them over the years.

Most evangelical Christians I know are just every day folks who are doing their best to love and serve Jesus and seek God’s help in their daily lives and struggles with their families, work, and other aspects of their lives. Catholicism rarely, if ever, even crosses their minds. Many would consider Catholicism to be just another Christian denomination to choose from – not a big arch-enemy or anything like that

Again, thanks.

**2) That we somehow disrespect or hate the Virgin Mary. **
While Protestants don’t pray to Mary, no evangelical that I know speaks badly of her. They just tend to focus on her Son and not her. I realize that Catholics might consider the lack of attention to be a form of abandonment or neglect, but I think most protestants want to steer clear of anything that might be construed as being worship or adoration of her.

And we focus on Her Son Through Her

John 19: 25-28

Jesus gave Mary to humanity to be ALSO our Mother; who’s mission it is to bring Souls closer to Her Son Jesus.

Continued Blessings,

Patrick

 

[PJM]

Indeed. By extension I’d say this is representative of a larger misconception I’ve noticed many Catholics (both devout and otherwise) have about Protestants. That misconception being that Protestantism is a large monolithic structure with a relatively narrow set of beliefs (not unlike the RCC itself but a Protestant analogue).

Almost as if they understand there are different denominations, but that they mistakenly believe that all those denominations have relatively similar beliefs and practices. And in my experience that mistaken belief always skews closer to the more Baptist/Non Denominational world view. Almost as if Baptist or Baptist style Non-Denominationals (including the many that do have more “rock concert” style worship), somehow represent all Protestants when we know in reality that couldn’t be further from the truth.

GREAT post, thanks,

So perhaps you can clarify for ME, what are the [IF there are any?] “common” faith beliefs of non-Catholic-Christians?

God Bless you,

Patrick

 

[PJM]

1. That all non-Catholic Catholics are protestants
2. That there is such thing as “the protestant church” with some type of standard beliefs.
3. All non-Catholics religions are out to attack the Catholic religion (someone already mentioned this).

Thanks,

PLEASE READ POST #14; it does not align with your point #2 IF I’M understanding both post correctly?

IF “Non-Catholic-Christians” are NOT “protestants”; then what is the proper classification?

Thank you for your help:thumbsup:

God Bless you,

Patrick

 

[Lenten_ashes]

A couple come to mind for me:

1) That we consider Catholics to be the enemy.
Most evangelicals I know don’t think about Catholicism or mention it at all, and when they do, they know Catholicism teaches different things but most consider Catholics to be fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. In fact, I consider Catholicism to be somewhat of a big brother/mentor from whom I can enhance my faith in Christ.

*Note: The only exception I can think of are the radical fundamentalists, who consider everyone not like them to be in error and in risk of eternal damnation. *

Most evangelical Christians I know are just every day folks who are doing their best to love and serve Jesus and seek God’s help in their daily lives and struggles with their families, work, and other aspects of their lives. Catholicism rarely, if ever, even crosses their minds. Many would consider Catholicism to be just another Christian denomination to choose from – not a big arch-enemy or anything like that.

**2) That we somehow disrespect or hate the Virgin Mary. **
While Protestants don’t pray to Mary, no evangelical that I know speaks badly of her. They just tend to focus on her Son and not her. I realize that Catholics might consider the lack of attention to be a form of abandonment or neglect, but I think most protestants want to steer clear of anything that might be construed as being worship or adoration of her.

I’ve always thought it was their haste to dismiss all things Catholic and separate themselves from us. Whether consciously or sub-consciously.

And worship is adoration, but I get your point. We venerate her and shame on anyone who worships her.

 

[PJM]

I think most know now that “Protestants” do not “protest” the Catholic Church. It is a name given back in the Reformation era. We are Christians who follow Christ in ways different from the CC and our churches carry different names to reflect them. :hug3:

Blessings!

Rita

OK
A serious question if I may?

Why then are “they” not Catholics IF they are not at least interiorly “protesting Catholicism?”

God Bless you!

Patrick

 

[PJM]

Orthodox, Miaphysites, Assyrians,Old Catholics, and Mormons are not Protestant. The word “Protestant” arose in a particular historical context and refers to certain “theological families” that originated within that context - principally the Lutheran lineage, the Anglican lineage, the Reformed lineage, and the Anabaptist lineage.

For the sake of discussion; I [THAT’S ME] disagree

Each organization is NOT Catholic because of disagreement with the RCC; that In MY [personal] opinion is a FORM of PROTEST

God Bless you,

Patrick

 

[PJM]

I think most know now that “Protestants” do not “protest” the Catholic Church. It is a name given back in the Reformation era. We are Christians who follow Christ in ways different from the CC and our churches carry different names to reflect them. :hug3:

Blessings!

Rita

Hi Rita,

OK, but, if non-Catholic Christians [admittedly about 500 years distant from the PROTESTER-reformers] who founded at least the “seeds of protest”,for today’s many varying non-Catholic-Christian churches; are they not still “protesters”?

**Do non-Catholic-Christians now find the TERM “Protestant” to be somehow offensive?

Please explain; I’m TRYING to understand the issue**.

God Bless you,

Patrick

 

[PJM]

You could always call them by their faith groupings, Anglican, Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist, etc… since there does tend to be some fairly big differences between them. And of course Orthodox, Assyrian, Oriental Christians are not Protestant anymore than the Catholic Chirch is Protestant.

OK- BUT,

Then it seems to ME [personally again], that doing so is a personal application; of what I [again personally] intend to include the generality of ALL non-Catholic Christians.

I goal is to teach and Share Catholicism; not offend individual churches.

Blessings,

Patrick

 

[jane_doe]

Thanks,

PLEASE READ POST #14; it does not align with your point #2 IF I’M understanding both post correctly?

IF “Non-Catholic-Christians” are NOT “protestants”; then what is the proper classification?

Thank you for your help:thumbsup:

God Bless you,

Patrick

Other people have already did a really good job answering this (#19 & #21 in particularly). Major families of Christian churches include (but not limited to):

• Catholic churches
• Eastern Orthodox churches
• Oriental and Assyrian Orthodox churches
• Protestant churches
• Anglicans
• Restoration churches
• Pentecostals
• Messianic churches.
• And many others.

The family groups are related to history and theology. “Protestant” churches are whom arose during/after the Reformation and typically hold to at least some of the Solas. There are many non-Catholic groups besides them.

 

[PJM]

Many Anglicans would reject the term “protestant”.

Again for the sake of discussion and clarification; WHY is that:shrug:

Blessings,

Patrick

 

[KnitNut]

Why then are “they” not Catholics IF they are not [at least interiorly “protesting Catholicism?”

You know, this question is pretty offensive, and makes big assumptions…the first of which, is that we “non-Catholic Christians” are unable to wholeheartedly embrace our lived Faith tradition as Truth. I’m not Orthodox because I’m protesting Rome - honestly, that’s just silly. I’m Orthodox because Orthodoxy contains the Fullness of Truth; it is THE Church. Now, you may personally disagree with this, but I could just as soon say that it’s because you are “protesting Orthodoxy” (at least, interiorly). shrug
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[PJM]

ORIGINAL POST

Originally Posted by lantheria View Post
That our churches are rock concerts and we only care about being entertained.

As a worship musician, telling me this is a great way to send my blood pressure into orbit

I see this one a lot and it always draws a little chuckle. The church that I grew up in (non-denominational) actually didn’t allow music.

Other misconception I see, at least in my case, is that all non-denom churches are “mega” churches when really, that’s hardly the case.

ALLOW me personally to extend to ALL my apologies for NOT perhaps being precise enough when I introduce or respond to a discussion on the PRIMARY emphasis-DIFFERENCES between non-Catholic-christian & Catholic worship services.

Because ALL Catholic Churches actually DO HAVE Jesus: Body; Blood; Soul & Divinity present to us and WITH US; our worship is God-Centered by emphasis, and by design.

NOT anywhere to the same degree are non-Catholic-Christian services. And YES I am aware of Anglican & Episcopalian as being at least closer in intent [at least] than are most other denominations

It seems evident within the NCC Communities that there is a great struggle for membership, resulting in “Services” aimed “to please” THEM as well as God.

Blessings,

Patrick