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jane_doe
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I’ll second this sentiment.
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PJM
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OK, if that is so:shrug: {I personally struggle with such a concept]; than WHY are tey [you?] not Catholic:shrug:
Clearly the Bible and history indicate clearly and precisely GOD"S desire for just:
One TRUE God
One TRUE set of faith beliefs [EVEN God can’t have more]
One Chosen People with Jesus calls “MY Church” Mt 16:18
Help me to better understand your position.
Secondly what is this “movement” I’ve seen in recent years to separate from the term Protestant all about?
God Bless you,
Patrick
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PJM
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And is that because your church has seperated from the expressed beliefs of your reformation-founders? Or some other issues?
So then [BTW; this is great news!
] WHICH churches and or faiths HOLD to the OSAS teachings? I’m trying to learn to be more precise and accurate
Blessings,
Patrick
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PJM
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So permit me to ask a DUMB question here:
IF they exist as “Christians” outside of the the CC; WHY do they, if they are not in SOME-MANNER protesting Catholic beliefs and practices:shrug:
This seems to exhibit a DESIRE to be known for what you wish to be, not so much what it seems to ME at least; what you are?
Why the “recent” rush to disassociate form your founders nomenclature?
Blessings,
Patrick
Blessings,
Patrick
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TC3033
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I’m not sure how our replies are off topic, if that’s what you’re getting at.ORIGINAL POST
ALLOW me personally to extend to ALL my apologies for NOT perhaps being precise enough when I introduce or respond to a discussion on the PRIMARY emphasis-DIFFERENCES between non-Catholic-christian & Catholic worship services.
Because ALL Catholic Churches actually DO HAVE Jesus: Body; Blood; Soul & Divinity present to us and WITH US; our worship is God-Centered by emphasis, and by design.
**NOT anywhere to the same degree are non-Catholic-Christian services. **And YES I am aware of Anglican & Episcopalian as being at least closer in intent [at least] than are most other denominations
It seems evident within the NCC Communities that there is a great struggle for membership, resulting in “Services” aimed “to please” THEM as well as God.
Blessings,
Patrick
I guess that the bolded are your opinion, and maybe a misconception…
And also helps enforce some earlier points I’ve put out there before.
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PJM
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My FRIEND, I don’t recall saying ANYTHING about being off-topic:shrug:I’m not sure how our replies are off topic, if that’s what you’re getting at.
I guess that the bolded are your opinion, and maybe a misconception…
And also helps enforce some earlier points I’ve put out there before.
When I express MY Personal opinion I TRY to identify it as such, so I’m unclear here as to your precise point? {No doubt its ME not you}
Blessings,
Patrick
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PJM
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AMEN!
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PJM
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THANK YOU!
And Indeed! there are; BUT, do they not originate with and through the reformation founders?
Blessings,
Patrick
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PJM
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And that my dear friend is where we greatly disagree.
I certain mean no personal affront!
BUT
Truth is singular; it can be nothing else. [HOW CAN IT?]
The Great Easter Schism of 1054 has the Orthodox [in part] separating from ROME, not the other way around.
Many if not Most of us Catholics hold the Orthodox as VERY Close Brethren. Certainly I personally do.
BUT to for Catholics to claim NOT to be the Church [MY CHURCH Mt 16:18 …singular] Founded by Jesus would necessitate a lie…Sorry I can’t go there
Blessings,
Patrick
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Padres1969
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Many of them do not. And depending on how you define Protestant Reformers many churches that are sometimes lumped into the Protestant category aren’t even Protestant. Anglicanism and it’s derivatives being chief among these. Nevermind churches like the Orthodox, Assyrian, Oriental, Restoration, and Messianic churches which are clearly not Protestant.
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Tommy999
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Hi Patrick,
“Protestant” is a term that I mainly hear used by Catholics to refer to those faith traditions that were born of the Reformation, much in the same way that people of the Jewish faith might refer to non-Jews as “Gentiles”.
Just like most “Gentiles” would prefer to be called by something more precise and positive, like “Catholic”, “Orthodox”, “Anglican”, or some other term, the word “Gentile” is a simple and handy word from a Jewish perspective to denote everyone who is not a Jew. It’s quick and easy.
Likewise, most “Protestants” prefer to be called by their faith tradition (i.e. Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Assembly of God, etc) or just “Christian” because it is more precise and denotes something they are for, not something they are against.
The vast majority of us “Protestants” were born into our faith tradition and we are not protesting anything, except maybe the word “Protestant”.
I assume you are Pro-life, right? So am I. How do you like to be called “Anti-choice”, which is what the pro-abortion rights folks call us? We justifiably prefer to be called “Pro Life” because that is what we are for. That is the best analogy I could come up with for how it feels to be called “Protestant”.
As for OSAS, I think it is mainly the fundamentalist faith traditions who believe that (like Southern Baptists), but there may be others.
“Protestant” is a term that I mainly hear used by Catholics to refer to those faith traditions that were born of the Reformation, much in the same way that people of the Jewish faith might refer to non-Jews as “Gentiles”.
Just like most “Gentiles” would prefer to be called by something more precise and positive, like “Catholic”, “Orthodox”, “Anglican”, or some other term, the word “Gentile” is a simple and handy word from a Jewish perspective to denote everyone who is not a Jew. It’s quick and easy.
Likewise, most “Protestants” prefer to be called by their faith tradition (i.e. Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Assembly of God, etc) or just “Christian” because it is more precise and denotes something they are for, not something they are against.
The vast majority of us “Protestants” were born into our faith tradition and we are not protesting anything, except maybe the word “Protestant”.
I assume you are Pro-life, right? So am I. How do you like to be called “Anti-choice”, which is what the pro-abortion rights folks call us? We justifiably prefer to be called “Pro Life” because that is what we are for. That is the best analogy I could come up with for how it feels to be called “Protestant”.
As for OSAS, I think it is mainly the fundamentalist faith traditions who believe that (like Southern Baptists), but there may be others.
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Zabdi_Premjit
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In your opinion, I am Protestant. That is, for the sake of discussion, fine.For the sake of discussion; I [THAT’S ME] disagree
Each organization is NOT Catholic because of disagreement with the RCC; that In MY [personal] opinion is a FORM of PROTEST
God Bless you,
Patrick
Words derive meaning from social usage though, so your disagreement has no real significance on what a “Protestant” is. I will add though that I am Catholic. The One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church can never cease to be Catholic.
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TC3033
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Solid post. I think that lays out the feelings of a lot of non-catholics. The first time I ever heard protestant was one of my first times going to Church with my wife.Hi Patrick,
“Protestant” is a term that I mainly hear used by Catholics to refer to those faith traditions that were born of the Reformation, much in the same way that people of the Jewish faith might refer to non-Jews as “Gentiles”.
Just like most “Gentiles” would prefer to be called by something more precise and positive, like “Catholic”, “Orthodox”, “Anglican”, or some other term, the word “Gentile” is a simple and handy word from a Jewish perspective to denote everyone who is not a Jew. It’s quick and easy.
Likewise, most “Protestants” prefer to be called by their faith tradition (i.e. Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Assembly of God, etc) or just “Christian” because it is more precise and denotes something they are for, not something they are against.
The vast majority of us “Protestants” were born into our faith tradition and we are not protesting anything, except maybe the word “Protestant”.
I assume you are Pro-life, right? So am I. How do you like to be called “Anti-choice”, which is what the pro-abortion rights folks call us? We justifiably prefer to be called “Pro Life” because that is what we are for. That is the best analogy I could come up with for how it feels to be called “Protestant”.
As for OSAS, I think it is mainly the fundamentalist faith traditions who believe that (like Southern Baptists), but there may be others.
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Zabdi_Premjit
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I like how you stress that Catholic and non-Catholic worship services are profoundly different because Christ is not Eucharistically present in non-Catholic services…then you conveniently forget to mention Orthodox, Miaphysites, and Assyrians…because bringing them up would highlight the fact that the Catholic Magisterium does not agree with your sweeping assessment of all non-Catholic worship…and you are therefore actually advocating a opinion that is implicitly in opposition to the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church - i.e. that is implicitly an act of protest against official Roman Catholic teaching.ALLOW me personally to extend to ALL my apologies for NOT perhaps being precise enough when I introduce or respond to a discussion on the PRIMARY emphasis-DIFFERENCES between non-Catholic-christian & Catholic worship services.
Because ALL Catholic Churches actually DO HAVE Jesus: Body; Blood; Soul & Divinity present to us and WITH US; our worship is God-Centered by emphasis, and by design.
NOT anywhere to the same degree are non-Catholic-Christian services. And YES I am aware of Anglican & Episcopalian as being at least closer in intent [at least] than are most other denominations
Welcome to the Protestant faith.:sad_yes:
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Peter_J
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You could. I wonder how many Orthodox say that?
Likewise, an Anglican could tell me that, since I’m not Anglican, I’m protesting Anglicanism, …
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KnitNut
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I would hope, very few. Because it’s a silly way of categorizing. You are outside of The Church, from the Orthodox perspective…“we” can’t really say why you are, just that you are. This whole “ascribing motives” thing is really wearisome. Bottom line, we trust God will handle you as He wills. (We know where the Church is, etc etc.)You could. I wonder how many Orthodox say that?
Likewise, an Anglican could tell me that, since I’m not Anglican, I’m protesting Anglicanism, …
Threads like this only reinforce the stereotype that Romans are hung up counting angels dancing on pinheads, and all. Reminds me of the micromanaging “boss of that other department” who keeps trying to run the whole show. Let the Holy Spirit handle it, guys.
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Peter_J
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I’m belatedly realizing that this thread is probably a sequel to, or spinoff of, the “Do you have questions about Catholic beliefs & Practices” thread, which I chose not to participate on, so I’ll probably go silent on the current thread.
But not yet, as St. Augustine is recorded to have said.
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jane_doe
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Hi Patrick! You’ve asked a lot of good questions, I’m going to try to cover them all, but please let me know if I missed one.
The term “Protestant” is not the name of any one church, but rather a theological/social meta-group of different churches. It’s similar to how you call yourself a “human” rather than a “mammal”, though both are technically true.
Furthermore, while the Protestant churches did historically arise from protesting the Catholics, nowadays that’s a rather mute point—no protesting is done nor do they really concern themselves with Catholics at all. Hence they use the term even less.
In short, I am not Catholic because I am a Mormon. I find the Mormon church to be the one set up TRUE beliefs, and the Church that Christ founded. Other people find the Orthodox to be the TRUE church, or Baptist, or Nazarene.
Yes, ultimately there is only TRUE church, and come Judgment Day there will be no questions about it. But until that point, people will study the facts and pray, and come to different conclusions on which church they think is true.
Protestant churches don’t call themselves “Protestant”, they call themselves “Baptist”, “Methodist” or whatever denomination they are, or even just “Christian”.
The term “Protestant” is not the name of any one church, but rather a theological/social meta-group of different churches. It’s similar to how you call yourself a “human” rather than a “mammal”, though both are technically true.
Furthermore, while the Protestant churches did historically arise from protesting the Catholics, nowadays that’s a rather mute point—no protesting is done nor do they really concern themselves with Catholics at all. Hence they use the term even less.
Essentially you’re asking, “why are you not Catholic”, correct?
In short, I am not Catholic because I am a Mormon. I find the Mormon church to be the one set up TRUE beliefs, and the Church that Christ founded. Other people find the Orthodox to be the TRUE church, or Baptist, or Nazarene.
Yes, ultimately there is only TRUE church, and come Judgment Day there will be no questions about it. But until that point, people will study the facts and pray, and come to different conclusions on which church they think is true.
It varies. Some Baptist/Pentecostals/Evangelicals I know lean that way but it’s very variable, and I’m not an expert there. Mormons are not OSAS.So then [BTW; this is great news!
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