What is the CENTRAL Truth of Christianity?

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Granny and Eddie,

I don’t think you stand alone. In fact, the Eucharist is the Risen Christ. The Eucharist declares that Christ is Risen!!! Without the Resurrection, there would be no Eucharist. 🙂
However, it is the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Blessed Sacrament of the Eucharist which takes priority over all other Christian truths. Try reading the Gospel of John without Chapter 6 and the synoptic Gospels without the Last Supper. What do you have left?

Blessings,
granny

All human beings benefit from the Real Presence of Jesus Christ among us.
 
However, it is the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Blessed Sacrament of the Eucharist which takes priority over all other Christian truths. Try reading the Gospel of John without Chapter 6 and the synoptic Gospels without the Last Supper. What do you have left?

Blessings,
granny

All human beings benefit from the Real Presence of Jesus Christ among us.
If Christ had not risen from the dead, the Church would not be alive today. The disciples were able to spread the message of Christ to the world simply BECAUSE they saw the risen Lord. It was not the reality of Christ’s presence in the Eurcharist that made them proclaim to the world - The Good News.

As St. Paul tells us - “if Christ did not rise from the dead, WE are the GREATEST of FOOLS.” The Eucharist points to the reality of the Risen Lord. But it is the Risen Lord who makes himself Present in the Eucharist. The Eucharist proclaims that "CHRIST IS ALIVE !!! He is NOT DEAD.

The truth about the Eucharist is SIMPLY putting the cart before the Horse in my opinion. It is the CENTRAL TRUTH of the RESURRECTION that points to the reality of Christ Present in the Eucharist. That is the horse before the cart 🙂
 
I’m curious to know what other people think is the central TRUTH of Christianity.

A better question I would like to ask is … “How do you know it is the central truth of Christianity from your own life experience?”

I will start by saying that I think the central truth of Christianity is the Resurrection of Christ. St. Paul says that if Christ did not rise from the dead, you are still in your sins and that we are the “greatest of fools.” Since we believe and know that Christ is Risen and Alive … through His love and grace He is changing people’s lives …is changing my own life for the good.

Too many people get lost in the forest because of all trees. This central truth of Christianity I believe is the center and starting point of our faith. Some people might say the central truth is knowing who Christ is as a Person … I’m just interested what others might say on this matter.

And to answer the second question about how I know this is the central truth of Christianity from my own personal life experience … that Christ is Risen … that He is Alive … I would like to think and reflect on this a little more before I respond to it.
From my perspective, it’s the Passion, aka the Sacrifice. Paraphrase: “For God SO Loved us He sent His only begotten Son…” Who, in their right minds, would put themselves through all of that?:confused: Why would anyone endure such pain and torture - for days - for some stupid ideology? Why would Jesus answer Pilate parabolically? Why wouldn’t any sentient person say, “This is ridiculous, I’m not participating in it any more. I want out!”?

Hmmm? Unless . . . . . . there was some reality, hence truth, to what and why Jesus was here? I can’t even imagine any other rationale.

jd
 
I’m curious to know what other people think is the central TRUTH of Christianity.

A better question I would like to ask is … “How do you know it is the central truth of Christianity from your own life experience?”

I will start by saying that I think the central truth of Christianity is the Resurrection of Christ. St. Paul says that if Christ did not rise from the dead, you are still in your sins and that we are the “greatest of fools.” Since we believe and know that Christ is Risen and Alive … through His love and grace He is changing people’s lives …is changing my own life for the good.

Too many people get lost in the forest because of all trees. This central truth of Christianity I believe is the center and starting point of our faith. Some people might say the central truth is knowing who Christ is as a Person … I’m just interested what others might say on this matter.

And to answer the second question about how I know this is the central truth of Christianity from my own personal life experience … that Christ is Risen … that He is Alive … I would like to think and reflect on this a little more before I respond to it.
Learn from one of the most magnificent followers of Jesus -

'And now hear the conclusion, Brother Leo. Above all the graces and gifts of the Holy Spirit which Christ gives to His friends is that of conquering oneself and willingly enduring sufferings, insults, humiliations, and hardships for the love of Christ. For we cannot glory in all those other marvelous gifts of God, as they are not ours but God’s, as the Apostle says: ‘What have you that you have not received?’ But we can glory in the cross of tribulations and afflictions, because that is ours, and so the Apostle says: ‘I will not glory save in the Cross of Our Lord Jesus Christ.’"

feastofsaints.com/perfectjoy.htm

The Eucharist is a reminder of Jesus,the substantive meaning is the life of Christ itself and that is why many of the disciples turned away because they feared something which St Francis embraced -

“Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.”

‘Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?” Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them,…" As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him.’

usccb.org/nab/bible/john/john6.htm

" I have told you this so that you might have peace in me. In the world you will have trouble, but take courage, I have conquered the world." Jesus
 
If Christ had not risen from the dead, the Church would not be alive today. The disciples were able to spread the message of Christ to the world simply BECAUSE they saw the risen Lord. It was not the reality of Christ’s presence in the Eurcharist that made them proclaim to the world - The Good News.
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Please pardon me, jkiernan56,😊

I believe there is a typo in the above sentence from post 141. The word “not” was accidentally put in. I’m sure you meant that it was the very reality of Christ’s presence in the Eucharist which the disciples were proclaiming to the world following the Resurrection.

Blessings,
granny

All humanity belongs at the foot of Christ’s cross.
 
jkiernan56;4896659:
If Christ had not risen from the dead, the Church would not be alive today. The disciples were able to spread the message of Christ to the world simply BECAUSE they saw the risen Lord. It was not the reality of Christ’s presence in the Eurcharist that made them proclaim to the world - The Good News.
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Please pardon me, jkiernan56,😊
I believe there is a typo in the above sentence from post 141. The word “not” was accidentally put in. I’m sure you meant that it was the very reality of Christ’s presence in the Eucharist which the disciples were proclaiming to the world following the Resurrection.

Blessings,
granny

All humanity belongs at the foot of Christ’s cross.

Actually I DO NOT believe the Apostles were on fire to tell others about the Eucharist right after the Lord Ascended to His Father. They were on fire to tell others about the Risen Lord and for others to call on His name and be “born again” by water and the Spirit.

If you or anyone else can prove me wrong - that the central focus after the Ascension was to tell others about the Lord present in the Eucharist (Bread and Wine after the consecration), then PLEASE DO correct me. I don’t think the emphasis on the Eucharist came until later in Church history. The early Church was centered on the Resurrection and the meaning of His passion and death (in my opinion).

Neither was the early Church focused on having people “go to Priests to confess their sins”.
 
grannymh;4901160:
Actually I DO NOT believe the Apostles were on fire to tell others about the Eucharist right after the Lord Ascended to His Father. They were on fire to tell others about the Risen Lord and for others to call on His name and be “born again” by water and the Spirit.

If you or anyone else can prove me wrong - that the central focus after the Ascension was to tell others about the Lord present in the Eucharist (Bread and Wine after the consecration), then PLEASE DO correct me. I don’t think the emphasis on the Eucharist came until later in Church history. The early Church was centered on the Resurrection and the meaning of His passion and death (in my opinion).

Neither was the early Church focused on having people “go to Priests to confess their sins”.
Too many people have to check themselves when discussing Christian conversion to allow for symbols of baptism or the Eucharist whereas the great Christians have always accepted the symbols as representative of a more dynamic meaning.Most here will simply express what they think everyone else wants to hear from a Catholic perspective but the Catholic community was once a fertile ground for the transition from symbols to Spiritual awareness,not as a dry theological argument that begin and end in the symbols themselves but as the single greatest experience known to humanity and it still is that way.Despite the dated language of the early 20th century,Evelyn Underhill expresses something of the most dramatic event in the life of any Christian -

ccel.org/ccel/underhill/mysticism.iv.ii.html

Bounded by the Catholic symbols on one side and the fervent theological acceptance on the non Catholic side *,the awareness of the experience in John 3 has suffered diminution due to the unacceptable split in Christianity (for a house divided cannot stand).
  • “Conversion must not, however, be confused or identified with religious conversion as ordinarily understood: the sudden and emotional acceptance of theological beliefs which the self had previously either rejected or treated as conventions dwelling upon the margin of consciousness and having no meaning for her actual life. The mechanical process may be much the same; but the material involved, the results attained, belong to a higher order of reality.”
ccel.org/ccel/underhill/mysticism.iv.ii.html
 
grannymh;4901160:
Actually I DO NOT believe the Apostles were on fire to tell others about the Eucharist right after the Lord Ascended to His Father. They were on fire to tell others about the Risen Lord and for others to call on His name and be “born again” by water and the Spirit.

If you or anyone else can prove me wrong - that the central focus after the Ascension was to tell others about the Lord present in the Eucharist (Bread and Wine after the consecration), then PLEASE DO correct me. I don’t think the emphasis on the Eucharist came until later in Church history. The early Church was centered on the Resurrection and the meaning of His passion and death (in my opinion).

Neither was the early Church focused on having people “go to Priests to confess their sins”.
Just lost my entire response.
 
jkiernan56;4901793:
Too many people have to check themselves when discussing Christian conversion to allow for symbols of baptism or the Eucharist whereas the great Christians have always accepted the symbols as representative of a more dynamic meaning.Most here will simply express what they think everyone else wants to hear from a Catholic perspective but the Catholic community was once a fertile ground for the transition from symbols to Spiritual awareness,not as a dry theological argument that begin and end in the symbols themselves but as the single greatest experience known to humanity and it still is that way.Despite the dated language of the early 20th century,Evelyn Underhill expresses something of the most dramatic event in the life of any Christian -

ccel.org/ccel/underhill/mysticism.iv.ii.html
Bounded by the Catholic symbols on one side and the fervent theological acceptance on the non Catholic side *,the awareness of the experience in John 3 has suffered diminution due to the unacceptable split in Christianity (for a house divided cannot stand).
  • “Conversion must not, however, be confused or identified with religious conversion as ordinarily understood: the sudden and emotional acceptance of theological beliefs which the self had previously either rejected or treated as conventions dwelling upon the margin of consciousness and having no meaning for her actual life. The mechanical process may be much the same; but the material involved, the results attained, belong to a higher order of reality.”
ccel.org/ccel/underhill/mysticism.iv.ii.html

I would appreciate if you could actually express in your own words what it is you are trying to communicate through the words of others. What is it you would like to emphasize and how does it relate to the thread? I know the meaning of conversion and mysticism … and your point is?
 
I apologise,I did not see your signature
get real … Christ is Risen !!!
Nobody declares the risen Christ except it is given by the Father

“But to those who did accept him he gave power to become children of God, to those who believe in his name,who were born not by natural generation nor by human choice nor by a man’s decision but of God.”

usccb.org/nab/bible/john/john1.htm

Sin is nothing other than missing the point and I would never attempt to answer this for you.
 
Originally Posted by grannymh forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_khaki/viewpost.gif

Actually I DO NOT believe the Apostles were on fire to tell others about the Eucharist right after the Lord Ascended to His Father. They were on fire to tell others about the Risen Lord and for others to call on His name and be “born again” by water and the Spirit.

If you or anyone else can prove me wrong - that the central focus after the Ascension was to tell others about the Lord present in the Eucharist (Bread and Wine after the consecration), then PLEASE DO correct me. I don’t think the emphasis on the Eucharist came until later in Church history. The early Church was centered on the Resurrection and the meaning of His passion and death (in my opinion).

Neither was the early Church focused on having people “go to Priests to confess their sins”.
Please note that the above is not grannymh’s post.

Actually I do
believe the Apostles were on fire to tell others about the Eucharist right after the Lord ascended to His Father. This makes logical sense.
 
Please note that the above is not grannymh’s post.

Actually I do
believe the Apostles were on fire to tell others about the Eucharist right after the Lord ascended to His Father. This makes logical sense.
I apologize for how it shows your name with things I said in an earlier posting. I don’t know how that happened.

Logical sense?

Can you show me in the Acts of the Apostles or any other early Church history where the emphasis was put on telling others about the Eucharist?
 
What I find so disturbing is how Catholic Christians DON’T even agree on what the central truth of Christianity is. Doesn’t it make some people pause to ask why this is … like it does for me?

Resurrection
Eucharist
Passion and Death
Love
Jesus
Forgiveness of Sin

These are just some of the things people have said is the CENTRAL TRUTH of Christianity.
 
What I find so disturbing is how Catholic Christians DON’T even agree on what the central truth of Christianity is. Doesn’t it make some people pause to ask why this is … like it does for me?

Resurrection
Eucharist
Passion and Death
Love
Jesus
Forgiveness of Sin

These are just some of the things people have said is the CENTRAL TRUTH of Christianity.
I think part of the problem is that the question is, in some ways, an academic one. Many people do not approach life from a academic perspective. One might even argue that for most, Christ’ Way is not a academic pursuit, but is a pursuit of the heart.

The correct answer to this question may get you a better grade on your theology class exam, but will help you love God or your neighbor more?
 
By the way, I just wanted to add that after Christ rose from the dead and Ascended to the Father (our Father) … the Community of Believers (first called The Way) … met together for the breaking of Bread … which we know is the Eucharist … and the reason this was central to the Christian Community was for the very reason that Christ Himself who is risen from the dead IS PRESENT in the consecrated Bread and Wine. They met to "be with the Lord … to receive the Lord in the Bread and Wine.

Yes, the Eucharist was central to the gathering of the Community of Believers … but it was the Risen Lord that made them celibrate the Eucharist.

He is Risen !!!
 
I think part of the problem is that the question is, in some ways, an academic one. Many people do not approach life from a academic perspective. One might even argue that for most, Christ’ Way is not a academic pursuit, but is a pursuit of the heart.

The correct answer to this question may get you a better grade on your theology class exam, but will help you love God or your neighbor more?
Excellent point. Growing in love with God and neighbor (and even oneself as God intends) … is what its all about. But as Frank Sheed said in his book “Theology and Sanity” … the more one knows God, the more there is to love … growing in love with God is also growing in knowledge of God …

so for me … I find it very important that Christians agree on the central truth of Christianity … if you were a shoe salesman, you would want to be able to tell others why they should buy your shoes … if you are a Christian, you should know what it is that a Christian is trying to market … to “give” to others … just as one has freely “received” …
 
I apologize for how it shows your name with things I said in an earlier posting. I don’t know how that happened.

Logical sense?

Can you show me in the Acts of the Apostles or any other early Church history where the emphasis was put on telling others about the Eucharist?
I love a challenge. Thank you, jkiernan.

This is one of the original statements of Jesus: “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who looks upon the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life.” John 6:40 One can see that the whole of John, Chapter 6 is meant to be preached.

Luke 24: 13-35 which is one of my favorites. “…'Were not our hearts burning [within us]…” "Then the two recounted what had taken place on the way and how He was made known to them in the breaking of the bread.

Corinthians 11: 23-34 “For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus, on the night He was handed over, took bread…”

Logically, the only way that Christ’s commands in John, Chapter 6 can be carried out is that the Eucharist had to be preached. At the moment, I find St. Justin Martyr (100-165) who writes about bringing the Eucharist to those who are absent from the assembly. Not only was the Eucharist preached to others, it was practiced.

Traditionally, new converts received the three Sacraments of Christian Initiation, Baptism, Confirmation, and the Eucharist. Thus, as you point out in post 145, “They were on fire to tell others about the Risen Lord and for others to call on His name and be “born again” by water and the Spirit.” This was the first step to receiving the true Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ present under the appearances of bread and wine.

An excellent book is:
In the Presence of Our Lord - the History, Theology, and Psychology of Eucharistic Devotion
by Father Benedict J. Groeschel, C.F.R., and Jame Monti ISBN: 0-87973-920-7

Blessings,
granny

All humanity belongs at the foot of Christ on the cross.
 
By the way, I just wanted to add that after Christ rose from the dead and Ascended to the Father (our Father) … the Community of Believers (first called The Way) … met together for the breaking of Bread … which we know is the Eucharist … and the reason this was central to the Christian Community was for the very reason that Christ Himself who is risen from the dead IS PRESENT in the consecrated Bread and Wine. They met to "be with the Lord … to receive the Lord in the Bread and Wine.

Yes, the Eucharist was central to the gathering of the Community of Believers … but it was the Risen Lord that made them celibrate the Eucharist.

He is Risen !!!
You practice a very light version of Christianity,I do not say it is invalid or inferior but it is as though you and many other people here feel that unless you keep affirming slogans like ‘God is good’ , ‘Jesus lives’ and exclaim the virtues of Catholic symbolic procedure,it will further the message of the Christian community instead of that less than meaningful exercise that it actually is.The Arians can say the same thing and even think of better expressions even if they use it with bad intent. Most people simply want to know if you have to move to a desert , become an ascetic to experience the Christian Way, give up wealth or do or stop doing something but none of these things really matter.In early Christianity,the outwardly successful , wealthy and brilliant minds were just as likely to be Christians as those with simple concerns however what is detestable and especially today is the mediocre Christian who looks only to his own narrow concerns.

The Christian Way is a very real adventure that has a definite beginning and I assure you it has little to do with symbols or wonderful declarations of affection.You call it mysticism thereby separating it from your packaged deal of denominational Christianity whereas the more encompassing and eternal precepts of the genuine Christian Way reflect a more dynamic life than the symbolic form of representing Christ on Earth.This era has the most hostile background atmosphere for the emergence of the Way ,mostly due to the insistence on moral authority allied with symbolic procedures as the only things.

Each Christian makes his own pilgrimage to the Spiritual Jerusalem,not in the cunning theological arguments , obeying procedural imperatives of clinging to symbolic representations but by picking up that cross everyday and dealing with life from within and without.That is what once made saints and even though we may be cut off from each other as Paul was cut off from Jesus in his temporal existence,the language and experience is the same -

“The soul,” laid in fetters, loses all control over itself, and all power of thinking of anything but the absurdities he puts before it, which, being more or less unsubstantial, inconsistent, anddisconnected, serve only to stifle the soul, so that it has no power over itself; and accordingly—so it seems to me—the devils make a football of it, and the soul is unable to escape out of their hands. It is impossible to describe the sufferings of the soul in this state. It goes about in quest of relief, and God suffers it to find none. The light of reason, in the freedom of its will, remains, but it is not clear; it seems to me as if its eyes were covered with a veil. . . . Temptations seem to press it down, and make it dull, so that its knowledge of God becomes to it as that of something which it hears of far away.If it seeks relief from the fire by spiritual reading, it cannot find any, just as if it could not read at all. On one occasion it occurred to me to read the life of a saint, that I might forget myself and be refreshed with the recital of what he had suffered. Four or five times, I read as many lines, and though they were written in Spanish, I understood them less at the end than I did when I began: so I gave it up. It so happened to me on more occasions than one.” St Theresa

Let you affirm your faith when it almost borders on disbelief and then you may understand the Risen Jesus for that was made perfect on the cross by Jesus,in his followers,some more and some less - to love where you know you are not loved is the cleanest and greatest love of all.
 
I love a challenge. Thank you, jkiernan.

This is one of the original statements of Jesus: “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who looks upon the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life.” John 6:40 One can see that the whole of John, Chapter 6 is meant to be preached.

Luke 24: 13-35 which is one of my favorites. “…'Were not our hearts burning [within us]…” "Then the two recounted what had taken place on the way and how He was made known to them in the breaking of the bread.

Corinthians 11: 23-34 “For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus, on the night He was handed over, took bread…”

Logically, the only way that Christ’s commands in John, Chapter 6 can be carried out is that the Eucharist had to be preached. At the moment, I find St. Justin Martyr (100-165) who writes about bringing the Eucharist to those who are absent from the assembly. Not only was the Eucharist preached to others, it was practiced.

Traditionally, new converts received the three Sacraments of Christian Initiation, Baptism, Confirmation, and the Eucharist. Thus, as you point out in post 145, “They were on fire to tell others about the Risen Lord and for others to call on His name and be “born again” by water and the Spirit.” This was the first step to receiving the true Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ present under the appearances of bread and wine.

An excellent book is:
In the Presence of Our Lord - the History, Theology, and Psychology of Eucharistic Devotion
by Father Benedict J. Groeschel, C.F.R., and Jame Monti ISBN: 0-87973-920-7

Blessings,
granny

All humanity belongs at the foot of Christ on the cross.
I thank you for all that you shared here. I think I might enjoy reading Fr. Groeschel’s book very much. Everything that you present here leads me to ask -

Why did they celebrate the Eucharist?
Would they have celebrated it if Christ had not risen from the dead?
Why is the Resurrection so important to the message of Christianity?
Is there really any Eucharist without the Passion, Death, and RESURRECTION?

Christ is PRESENT in the Eucharist - Why? BECAUSE HE IS RISEN and defeated death!!! He is ALIVE !!! There is no Eucharist without the Resurrection. The Resurrection is what points to the Eucharist … the Bread of Life … Christ who is risen and present in the consecrated bread and wine.
 
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