What is the correct name for the Western Church?

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tabycat said:
When I posted ‘laten rites’ that is what I was limiting to the Latem or Western, NOT any of the other 22 Rites of the Catholic Church. 🤷
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There are 7 Rites aka Liturgies, and 23 Sui Juris, Roman and the 22 Eastern
 
BVMFatima said:
I have read this article before, The Term Roman Catholic is used in different ways, The Roman Church or the offensive term to mean all Catholics in communion with Rome.

I also have a link from Jimmy Akin, catholic.com/radio/shows/qa-open-forum-6599

Listen to the beginning he calls the Western Church the Roman Church
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Yes, that’s what the article says.

He does say “Roman Church”…it’s technically accurate and can technically be described to described all Catholics, but it still has negative connotations when used by some Protestants, and Catholics who are not Roman Catholic may still feel excluded when the term is used.

Because of the long history of negative connotation of the term “Roman Church,” and the misunderstandings that may arise from non-Roman Catholics, it seems the benefits of using the term are limited.
 
I agree that the term Roman does have some bad history to it, but since that is where Peter and Paul established the Western Church, that’s why we are referred to as the Roman Church. The Eastern Churches are not of the Roman Church, but there own such as the Maronite Church, the Ukranian church, the Melkite Church, Syriac Church, Chaldean and so fourth.

Plus, I have once here’d Father Mitch Pacwa from ewtn talk about the term, and he said " The term Roman Catholic was used to insult Catholics, but Catholics realized and said Hey.we are Roman Catholic because we are Roman Rite! " The Term rite at the time did not just mean liturgy, but Sui Juris churches!
 
BVMFatima said:
Well i learned something new! Why are Roman Churches called Latin Rite?
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The Roman Catholic Church uses the Latin rite. So you could say we are “Latin-rite Catholics” but you wouldn’t say we’re part of the “Latin Church.”
 
The Catechism is named the Catechism of the Catholic Church not The Roman Catholic Church.

From the Old Catholic Encyclopedia
A qualification of the name Catholic commonly used in English-speaking countries by those unwilling to recognize the claims of the One True Church. Out of condescension for these dissidents, the members of that Church are wont in official documents to be styled “Roman Catholics” as if the term Catholic represented a genus of which those who owned allegiance to the pope formed a particular species. It is in fact a prevalent conception among Anglicans to regard the whole Catholic Church as made up of three principal branches, the Roman Catholic, the Anglo-Catholic and the Greek Catholic. As the erroneousness of this point of view has been sufficiently explained in the articles CHURCH and CATHOLIC, it is only needful here to consider the history of the composite term with which we are now concerned.
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In the “Oxford English Dictionary”, the highest existing authority upon questions of English philology, the following explanation is given under the heading “Roman Catholic”.
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The use of this composite term in place of the simple Roman, Romanist, or Romish; which had acquired an invidious sense, appears to have arisen in the early years of the seventeenth century. For conciliatory reasons it was employed in the negotiations connected with the Spanish Match (1618-1624) and appears in formal documents relating to this printed by Rushworth (I, 85-89). After that date it was generally adopted as a non-controversial term and has long been the recognized legal and official designation, though in ordinary use Catholic alone is very frequently employed. (New Oxford Dict., VIII, 766)
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Tuesday, November 21, 2006
“Roman Catholic” vs. “Catholic” (Proper Titles) (with Jimmy Akins)
Not me. I prefer Catholic, but I’ve never been able to convince either you or Protestant anti-Catholics to extend to me the courtesy of using it…
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  1. I think the proper usage with regard to Eastern and Western Catholics (when that distinction is made) is:
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a) Latin Rite Catholics (or, Western Rite Catholics). E.g., the Catechism of the Catholic Church, #1579, uses the term Latin Church, with reference to the requirement of priestly celibacy.
b) Eastern Catholics (or, Byzantine Catholics or Eastern Rite Catholics).
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The Correct name is Catholic Church.
 
Also in the earliest days of the Church, Churches were established by city, not by country. Cities back then were far from one another in terms of travel time. So a city that is 50 miles apart is about a day or two travel by foot. They would have separate Churches from both cities, as it was with Antioch and Jerusalem in the beginning. So if you look at the ancient Pentarchy, they were all city-Churches. Rome, Constantinople, Jerusalem, Antioch and Alexandria.

Churches founded later on were more nationalistic. This was because entire kingdoms were becoming Christians rather than just one city in the Empire. And this is true until today, at least in the model that has been maintained by the Orthodox. That is why we have the Orthodox Church in America instead of the Washington Church or New York Church.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Also in the earliest days of the Church, Churches were established by city, not by country. Cities back then were far from one another in terms of travel time. So a city that is 50 miles apart is about a day or two travel by foot. They would have separate Churches from both cities, as it was with Antioch and Jerusalem in the beginning. So if you look at the ancient Pentarchy, they were all city-Churches. Rome, Constantinople, Jerusalem, Antioch and Alexandria.

Churches founded later on were more nationalistic. This was because entire kingdoms were becoming Christians rather than just one city in the Empire. And this is true until today, at least in the model that has been maintained by the Orthodox. That is why we have the Orthodox Church in America instead of the Washington Church or New York Church.
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I agree, that’s how western Catholics belong to the Roman Church established by Peter and Paul
 
BVMFatima said:
I agree, that’s how western Catholics belong to the Roman Church established by Peter and Paul
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Yup. As the ecclesiology developed over time, smaller towns become attached to the larger cities and the bishops then started forming synods among those close to one another. Eventually the influence of one major city grew and even other cities fall under it. Then Patriarchates were established and that any new Church founded came under one of the Patriarchs until such a time another influential city can hold its own and be declared its own autonomous Church. And then eventually be its own Patriarchate.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Yup. As the ecclesiology developed over time, smaller towns become attached to the larger cities and the bishops then started forming synods among those close to one another. Eventually the influence of one major city grew and even other cities fall under it. Then Patriarchates were established and that any new Church founded came under one of the patriarchs until such a time another influential city can hold its own and be declared its own autonomous Church. And then eventually be its own Patriarchate.
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Very true
 
BVMFatima said:
I agree that the term Roman does have some bad history to it, but since that is where Peter and Paul established the Western Church, that’s why we are referred to as the Roman Church. The Eastern Churches are not of the Roman Church, but there own such as the Maronite Church, the Ukranian church, the Melkite Church, Syriac Church, Chaldean and so fourth.
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I see what you mean.

But besides apologists like Jimmy Akin or an instructor in a classroom setting describing the technicalities of the term “Roman Church,” it seems that the term is not widely used at all among Roman Catholic lay people in general conversation–at least it’s not in the United States.

Using the term to describe one’s Roman Catholic affiliation or one’s Roman Catholic church community outside of a thread such as this one, or outside of a classroom setting, could cause confusion.

In the United States, it seems the term that is most widely used and recognized is “Roman Catholic.”
 
daisybee said:
I see what you mean.

But besides apologists like Jimmy Akin or an instructor in a classroom setting describing the technicalities of the term “Roman Church,” it seems that the term is not widely used at all among Roman Catholic lay people in general conversation–at least it’s not in the United States.

Using the term to describe one’s Roman Catholic affiliation or one’s Roman Catholic church community outside of a thread such as this one, or outside of a classroom setting, could cause confusion.

In the United States, it seems the term that is most widely used and recognized is “Roman Catholic.”
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very true but the term Roman Catholic does not refer to all Catholics only Catholics of the Roman Church are Roman Catholic. neither do we see the term latin Catholic used in the, United states but Roman Catholic instead.

that’s why we see archdiocese named Roman Catholic and then their hometown.

for example roman Catholic Archdiocese of Hartford 🙂
 
BVMFatima said:
very true but the term Roman Catholic does not refer to all Catholics only Catholics of the Roman Church are Roman Catholic. neither do we see the term latin Catholic used in the, United states but Roman Catholic instead.

that’s why we see archdiocese named Roman Catholic and then their hometown.

for example roman Catholic Archdiocese of Hartford 🙂
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Depends who you ask. Eastern Orthodox would refer to all Catholics including Eastern Catholics as Roman Catholics.
 
BVMFatima said:
very true but the term Roman Catholic does not refer to all Catholics only Catholics of the Roman Church are Roman Catholic. neither do we see the term latin Catholic used in the United states but Roman Catholic instead.
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Yes, I understand that…that was addressed in the article *Biblical Evidence for Catholicism: “Roman Catholic” vs. “Catholic” * we were discussing above.

My point is that using the term “Roman Church” can be confusing, because it’s used so little by laypeople. It’s not a term that is widely used or recognized.
 
daisybee said:
Yes, I understand that…that was addressed in the article *Biblical Evidence for Catholicism: “Roman Catholic” vs. “Catholic” * we were discussing above.

My point is that using the term “Roman Church” can be confusing, because it’s used so little by laypeople. It’s not a term that is widely used or recognized.
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Oh i see
 
daisybee said:
Yes, I understand that…that was addressed in the article *Biblical Evidence for Catholicism: “Roman Catholic” vs. “Catholic” * we were discussing above.

My point is that using the term “Roman Church” can be confusing, because it’s used so little by laypeople. It’s not a term that is widely used or recognized.
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Yes, it is actually old usage. Given the schisms between the Apostolic Churches and the number of fakes out there, we really have to give a lot of qualifications to identify ourselves.
 
I don’t know about y’all, but I’m Catholic - more specifically, Roman Catholic. 🙂
 
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