What is the correct translation of 1 John 5:16?

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1 John 5:16

“If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that.” — RSV

“If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is **a sin **that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that.” — NIV

“If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is **a sin **unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.” — KJV

According to the RSV, there can be many mortal sins, but NIV and KJV seem to imply that there is **only one mortal sin **(probably, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit).

What does the Latin Vulgate say in 1 John 5:16?

 

[wardrandolph]

Hello,May I subjest reading this Scripture from the NAB,or the Douay-Rheims Bible.If you do not have a DR,you can view online here: www.drbo.org. Click on book,chapter, scroll down to verse then you can scroll down explanation of the verse.Peace.

 

[Ron_Conte]

{5:16} Qui scit fratrem suum peccare peccatum non ad mortem, petat, et dabitur ei vita peccanti non ad mortem. Est peccatum ad mortem: non pro illo dico ut roget quis.
{5:16} Anyone who realizes that his brother has sinned, with a sin that is not unto death, let him pray, and life shall be given to him who has sinned not unto death. There is a sin which is unto death. I am not saying that anyone should ask on behalf of that sin.

{5:17} Omnis iniquitas, peccatum est: et est peccatum ad mortem.
{5:17} All that is iniquity is sin. But there is a sin unto death.

The 1590 Pope Sixtus V edition and the three Pope Clement editions of 1592, 93, and 98 all lack the negative in verse 17. The Neo-Vulgate and the Stuttgart have ‘non’ before ‘ad mortem’. Apparently, some or many Greek texts have ‘not’, but the Latin does not, thus indicating that some of the Greek texts lack not.

Verse 16 states both that there is a sin unto death and a sin not unto death, so doctrinally either version of verse 17 is correct.

No, I don’t think the text is saying that there is only one sin unto death, because verse 16 says that there is a sin not unto death. There cannot be only two sins, one unto death and the other not, but rather two types of sin, venial and mortal.

 

[rcjones]

In the shadows the difference between sin types is demonstrated in the law where some sins make you unclean until the evening if you wash when you realize them, and others place you outside the camp.

I am thinking this is the difference between instinctive type sin (animal behavior) vs. rebellion. In the case of an instinctive sin, once we have washed… renewed our mind by the washing of the word, it would be possible for the same sin to then become rebellion if willfully continuing in it.

The thread has inspired me to do some digging. Thanks.

 

[Static]

If we look at Jn 1:29 when John the Baptist says, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world, " are we to think that there is only one sin ?

The passage you are inquiring about is talking about the difference between a sin that is not deadly ( venial ) & a sin that is deadly .( mortal ) Just as we see in **1 Jn 1:10 **- *If we say, " We have not sinned, " we make him a liar, & his word  is not in us*. ( venial ) Then we look at **1 Jn 3:9** -* No one who is begotten by God commits sin, because God's seed remains in him: he cannot sin because he is begotten by God*. ( mortal )

The different translations do not change the context, it means the same thing.

Sorry for any repetition.

May God Bless, Static ( 1 Tim 1:15 )

 

[patrick457]

1 John 5:16

“If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that.” — RSV

“If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is **a sin **that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that.” — NIV

“If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is **a sin **unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.” — KJV

According to the RSV, there can be many mortal sins, but NIV and KJV seem to imply that there is **only one mortal sin **(probably, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit).

What does the Latin Vulgate say in 1 John 5:16?

Let’s see the Greek:

Ean tis idē ton adelphon autou amartanonta amartian mē pros thanaton, aitēsei, kai dōsei autō zōēn, tois amartanousin mē pros thanaton estin amartia pros thanaton ou peri ekeinēs legō ina erōtēsē; pasa adikia amartia estin, kai estin amartia ou pros thanaton.

Codex Gigas version of the Vulgate (early 13th c.): Qui scit fratrem suum peccare peccavi ad mortem, petat Deo, et dabit ei vita peccanti non ad mortem. Est peccatum ad mortem: non pro illo dico ut roget quis. Omnis iniquitas, peccatum est: et est peccatum ad mortem.

Gutenberg Bible Vulgate (1454-1455): Qui scit fratrem suum peccare peccatum non ad mortem, petat, et dabit ei vitta peccatum non ad mortem. Est peccatum ad mortem: non pro illo dico ut roget quis. Omnis iniquitas peccatum est: et est peccatum ad mortem.

Clementine Vulgate (1592, 1593, 1598): Qui scit fratrem suum peccare peccatum non ad mortem, petat, et dabitur ei vita peccanti non ad mortem. Est peccatum ad mortem: non pro illo dico ut roget quis. Omnis iniquitas peccatum est: et est peccatum ad mortem.

Stuttgart Vulgate (1969): Qui scit fratrem suum peccare peccatum non ad mortem, petet, et dabit ei vitam peccantibus non ad mortem. Est peccatum ad mortem: non pro illo dico ut roget. Omnis iniquitas peccatum est; et est peccatum non ad mortem.

Nova Vulgata (1979, 1986): Si quis videt fratrem suum peccare peccatum non ad mortem, petet, et dabit ei Deus vitam, peccantibus non ad mortem. Est peccatum ad mortem; non pro illo dico, ut roget. Omnis injustitia peccatum est, et est peccatum non ad mortem.