What is the difference between Catholics and greek orthodox?

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I’ve always found it interesting when people assert that the Roman Catholic Church is free from political influence when the pope himself is the head of a state. And there was a time when the Papal States were very large and powerful with their sovereign the pope levying taxes, signing treaties, raising armies and waging war with at least one pope personally leading an army into battle.
I understand what you’re saying, but I would point out that there is quite a bit of difference between the politics of running one’s one state and the politics of having someone in charge of another state trying to influence your internal affairs.
 
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the moment anyone even suggests that some human being on the planet Earth is equal to their pope the indignation begins.
The denigration of Christ here is telling, for it is none other than the Christ who mandated:
“You are Peter and on this rock I will build My Church.” (Mt 16:18)
“The gates of hell will not prevail against it.”(Mt 16:18)
“I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven." ( Mt 16:19)
“Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven.” (Mt 16:19) [Later also to the Twelve]

So the “their pope” myopia tries to conceal the reality that He is Christ’s Pope, and just as who can “equal” Christ, who can “equal” Christ’s Pope in being given the Keys of the Kingdom by Christ Himself and given the mandate of Sole authority?
“Strengthen your brethren.” (Lk 22:32)
“Feed My sheep.”(Jn 21:17).

No individual papal sins can, or have, resulted in false dogma or doctrine to be held by the whole Church on faith and morals.
 
What would the Patriarchs say to St. Maximus? Would they tell him he is misguided?

St. Maximus the Confessor (c. 650)*A celebrated theologian and a native of Constantinople

The extremities of the earth, and everyone in every part of it who purely and rightly confess the Lord, look directly towards the Most Holy Roman Church and her confession and faith, as to a sun of unfailing light awaiting from her the brilliant radiance of the sacred dogmas of our Fathers, according to that which the inspired and holy Councils have stainlessly and piously decreed.** For, from the descent of the Incarnate Word amongst us, all the churches in every part of the world have held the greatest Church alone to be their base and foundation, seeing that, according to the promise of Christ Our Savior, the gates of hell will never prevail against her, that she has the keys of the orthodox confession and right faith in Him, that she opens the true and exclusive religion to such men as approach with piety, and she shuts up and locks every heretical mouth which speaks against the Most High.** (Maximus, Opuscula theologica et polemica, Migne, Patr. Graec. vol. 90)

*How much more in the case of the clergy and Church of the Romans, which from old until now presides over all the churches which are under the sun? Having surely received this canonically, as well as from councils and the apostles, as from the princes of the latter (Peter and Paul), and being numbered in their company, **she is subject to no writings or issues in synodical documents, on account of the eminence of her pontificate …even as in all these things all are equally subject to her (the Church of Rome) according to sacerodotal law. *And so when, without fear, but with all holy and becoming confidence, those ministers (the popes) are of the truly firm and immovable rock, that is of the most great and Apostolic Church of Rome. (Maximus, in J.B. Mansi, ed. Amplissima Collectio Conciliorum, vol. 10)

If the Roman See recognizes Pyrrhus to be not only a reprobate but a heretic, it is certainly plain that everyone who anathematizes those who have rejected Pyrrhus also anathematizes the See of Rome, that is, he anathematizes the Catholic Church. I need hardly add that he excommunicates himself also, if indeed he is in communion with the Roman See and the Catholic Church of God …Let him hasten before all things to satisfy the Roman See, for if it is satisfied, all will agree in calling him pious and orthodox. For he only speaks in vain who thinks he ought to pursuade or entrap persons like myself, and does not satisfy and implore the blessed Pope of the most holy Catholic Church of the Romans, that is, the Apostolic See, which is from the incarnate of the Son of God Himself, and also all the holy synods, according to the holy canons and definitions has received universal and surpreme dominion, authority, and power of binding and loosing over all the holy churches of God throughout the whole world.(Maximus, Letter to Peter, in Mansi x, 692).J
 
I’m constantly told that the reason the Orthodox are separated from Rome is pride but then the moment anyone even suggests that some human being on the planet Earth is equal to their pope the indignation begins.

Nobody rejects communion with the Pope. If he is willing to confess the Orthodox faith in its entirety then we will have communion.
Let’s assume for a moment that this happened.

What do you think would happen the moment the pope decided to call an ecumenical council to address some issues that he perceived needed attention?
 
So St. Maximus, if he converted, would be excommunicated and considered a traitor? Because in reading the above post, he sure seems to be saying that anyone not in communion with Rome, should hasten to get back in communion with Her.

**Let him hasten before all things to satisfy the Roman See, for if it is satisfied, all will agree in calling him pious and orthodox. …and does not satisfy and implore the*blessed Pope of the most holy Catholic Church of the Romans, that is, the Apostolic See,which is from the incarnate of the Son of God Himself,and also all the holy synods, according to the holy canons and definitions has received universal and surpreme dominion, authority, and power of binding and loosing over all the holy churches of God throughout the whole world.(Maximus, Letter to Peter, in Mansi x, 692).JToday 2:47 pm.
 
So St. Maximus, if he converted, would be excommunicated and considered a traitor? Because in reading the above post, he sure seems to be saying that anyone not in communion with Rome, should hasten to get back in communion with Her.

**Let him hasten before all things to satisfy the Roman See, for if it is satisfied, all will agree in calling him pious and orthodox. …and does not satisfy and implore the*blessed Pope of the most holy Catholic Church of the Romans, that is, the Apostolic See,which is from the incarnate of the Son of God Himself,and also all the holy synods, according to the holy canons and definitions has received universal and surpreme dominion, authority, and power of binding and loosing over all the holy churches of God throughout the whole world.(Maximus, Letter to Peter, in Mansi x, 692).JToday 2:47 pm.
No, because in the year 650 the two churches were in union. I am surprised that you did not know this.
 
No, because in the year 650 the two churches were in union. I am surprised that you did not know this.
Oh they know well enough. They just think they’re being clever. St Maximus said those things before heresy mastered the Western Church. He wouldn’t recognize the modern Roman Catholic Church. He would be right at home the moment he walked into any Orthodox parish.
 
Let’s assume for a moment that this happened.

What do you think would happen the moment the pope decided to call an ecumenical council to address some issues that he perceived needed attention?
The pope has no authority to call and ecumenical council. What are you driving at?
 
I understand what you’re saying, but I would point out that there is quite a bit of difference between the politics of running one’s one state and the politics of having someone in charge of another state trying to influence your internal affairs.
Statecraft is statecraft and politics is politics. I just think its terribly inaccurate to say the pope isn’t influenced by politics when he is the head of a state.
 
Statecraft is statecraft and politics is politics. I just think its terribly inaccurate to say the pope isn’t influenced by politics when he is the head of a state.
And your assumption is that he will be influenced by the bad people around him rather than him exerting a good influence on those bad people around him?

Is a patriarch influenced when the head of state is Vladimir Putin?
 
And your assumption is that he will be influenced by the bad people around him rather than him exerting a good influence on those bad people around him?

Is a patriarch influenced when the head of state is Vladimir Putin?
I’m not making any assumptions. I’m simply saying you can’t claim the popes are or have historically been free from state politics.
 
I’m not making any assumptions. I’m simply saying you can’t claim the popes are or have historically been free from state politics.
True.

But there is nothing intrinsically wrong with the Pope being the head of a state with 109 acres of land (my grandfather had 1,000) and 798 citizens created specifically for the protection of the Church from outside influences.

Is there?

Is a patriarch influenced when the head of state is Vladimir Putin?
 
Oh they know well enough. They just think they’re being clever. St Maximus said those things before heresy mastered the Western Church. He wouldn’t recognize the modern Roman Catholic Church. He would be right at home the moment he walked into any Orthodox parish.
I do know he would be right at home. But based on his writings, I think we can safely say that if walked the earth today he would not be Orthodox. He would write the same thing today as he did then. The truth of his writings are as applicable today, and are as loud and clear, as when they were written.
 
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