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This could be a little sticky. Apologies…
One of the themes I see in all the threads within the topics of the non-Catholic threads is the debate about Protestants and Catholics, especially when it comes to trying to do one of the most important things that Cahtholics can do.
Re-unite us. Or, is this whole site about doing the opposite?
As a former Lutheran and now Catholic, I am concerned about my Lutheran Brothers and Sisters… for even though they do not see the Holy Orders and the Majestarium and certain Sacrements… I believe that they should know about what it is to be Catholic and certain myths displelled. Like all Catholics hate Lutherans. Many Lutherans have no idea what the word “catholic” means, a “universal” term, meaning that the Church is universal area, encompassing the whole world. Many Lutherans see the word “catholic” and automatically see a loaded word. Something to reviled.
Yet, I know the truth. Catholism among Protestants is now in our day and age more similar than a like.
Anyone can condemn Luther… for what he did. We can pick all the falicies and go so pro-catholic that he can be an enemy for ever… Yet, many of the things he wanted when he tried to “hit the nail on his theses,” have been recrified for Catholism grows and it does not stay stagnant. It’s a process, by the Majestarium, evolves and, not only corrects itself, but improves itself.
From what I have gathered as a former Lutheran is how much Catholism evolves into something that goes beyond what it was and not only improves, but solidifies itself. To, me, if Luther could see what the Catholic Church is now, he might be more lenient toward it.
When I grew up Lutheran, Mossouri Synod, I was exposed to a certain type of service. The hymns were practically identical and the service was modeled the same as Catholic. Did you know that when you said the Lutheran Nicene Creed, that it actually said, the, “I believe in the Holy Catholic Church?”
I said it.
It makes you wonder, setting aside doctrine and all insites and historical references, why it was like that?
Why was it so easy for me to study Catholism, ask to see a priest, and after a few secessions with him discussing what I learned, become a member of his Church, reciting an identical Nicene Creed ver batum and become member of the Catholic Church in the district Diocese? I was not taken lightly…
My own zeel for becoming a part of and belonging to the “Universal Church” was extremely important to me.
Yet, I still know what it was like to be in a Lutheran Church. I also have found a push toward total “Catholism,” in such a way as it almost condemns those who do not hold our beliefs.
Basicall, a non-Catholic comes on, asks a question about Catholism, and the answer is practically condemning that person for ever being NOT a part of Catholism with an “either or, or else” attitude.
If you are not Catholic your completely wrong.
Intermingling with Protestants and Catholics in Bible studies is forbidden.
Even though Protestants have sacrements they are not valid.
It’s like saying to the protestant community that if you want to post here… “It’s OK. But, I hope you understand, we will pull you a part and make your beliefs totally invalid.”
It’s not that we don’t want them to see our view points? It’s not that we don’t want them to belong to the “Universal Church,” and become one in all the Sacrements, understandings of what makes us so imortant as Catholics? It’s not that we don’t wan them to even become Catholic… and to mend 500 year old skism?
It’s the fact that our pride as Catholics might be creating a fracture between the very Bothers and Sisters we want to find us? Could it be that?
This thread is for “non-Catholic and Catholic dicussions.” So, what is the goal… to verse Catholics in the heretical ideas of protestants or the continued growth in creating a one unified Church of Christianity?
I am afraid many non-catholics who join this area to understand Catholism might be kicked off. Kicked off because we are not sensdative enough to recognise them as potential Christians who can become with a one unified Church. A whole real Universal Church. A Catholic “Universal” Church that shows those who once were apart from us can be educated, understood and most of all accepted into one unified Christian Church… the goal from our own roots. To allow us to be one faith, strong within it’s ability as The Christian Church without any problems, showing all people on the planet how beautiful our faith really is…
If we can not do this what are we?
I would like to see a thread devoted to the “sensativities,” not just sensabilities of what it is like to be Catholic. Where those who are Protestant are free from feeling riduculed… if that is really the term, though it is a loaded term… so, that we can have a real discussion free from any pride at all… it’s purpose?
One of the themes I see in all the threads within the topics of the non-Catholic threads is the debate about Protestants and Catholics, especially when it comes to trying to do one of the most important things that Cahtholics can do.
Re-unite us. Or, is this whole site about doing the opposite?
As a former Lutheran and now Catholic, I am concerned about my Lutheran Brothers and Sisters… for even though they do not see the Holy Orders and the Majestarium and certain Sacrements… I believe that they should know about what it is to be Catholic and certain myths displelled. Like all Catholics hate Lutherans. Many Lutherans have no idea what the word “catholic” means, a “universal” term, meaning that the Church is universal area, encompassing the whole world. Many Lutherans see the word “catholic” and automatically see a loaded word. Something to reviled.
Yet, I know the truth. Catholism among Protestants is now in our day and age more similar than a like.
Anyone can condemn Luther… for what he did. We can pick all the falicies and go so pro-catholic that he can be an enemy for ever… Yet, many of the things he wanted when he tried to “hit the nail on his theses,” have been recrified for Catholism grows and it does not stay stagnant. It’s a process, by the Majestarium, evolves and, not only corrects itself, but improves itself.
From what I have gathered as a former Lutheran is how much Catholism evolves into something that goes beyond what it was and not only improves, but solidifies itself. To, me, if Luther could see what the Catholic Church is now, he might be more lenient toward it.
When I grew up Lutheran, Mossouri Synod, I was exposed to a certain type of service. The hymns were practically identical and the service was modeled the same as Catholic. Did you know that when you said the Lutheran Nicene Creed, that it actually said, the, “I believe in the Holy Catholic Church?”
I said it.
It makes you wonder, setting aside doctrine and all insites and historical references, why it was like that?
Why was it so easy for me to study Catholism, ask to see a priest, and after a few secessions with him discussing what I learned, become a member of his Church, reciting an identical Nicene Creed ver batum and become member of the Catholic Church in the district Diocese? I was not taken lightly…
My own zeel for becoming a part of and belonging to the “Universal Church” was extremely important to me.
Yet, I still know what it was like to be in a Lutheran Church. I also have found a push toward total “Catholism,” in such a way as it almost condemns those who do not hold our beliefs.
Basicall, a non-Catholic comes on, asks a question about Catholism, and the answer is practically condemning that person for ever being NOT a part of Catholism with an “either or, or else” attitude.
If you are not Catholic your completely wrong.
Intermingling with Protestants and Catholics in Bible studies is forbidden.
Even though Protestants have sacrements they are not valid.
It’s like saying to the protestant community that if you want to post here… “It’s OK. But, I hope you understand, we will pull you a part and make your beliefs totally invalid.”
It’s not that we don’t want them to see our view points? It’s not that we don’t want them to belong to the “Universal Church,” and become one in all the Sacrements, understandings of what makes us so imortant as Catholics? It’s not that we don’t wan them to even become Catholic… and to mend 500 year old skism?
It’s the fact that our pride as Catholics might be creating a fracture between the very Bothers and Sisters we want to find us? Could it be that?
This thread is for “non-Catholic and Catholic dicussions.” So, what is the goal… to verse Catholics in the heretical ideas of protestants or the continued growth in creating a one unified Church of Christianity?
I am afraid many non-catholics who join this area to understand Catholism might be kicked off. Kicked off because we are not sensdative enough to recognise them as potential Christians who can become with a one unified Church. A whole real Universal Church. A Catholic “Universal” Church that shows those who once were apart from us can be educated, understood and most of all accepted into one unified Christian Church… the goal from our own roots. To allow us to be one faith, strong within it’s ability as The Christian Church without any problems, showing all people on the planet how beautiful our faith really is…
If we can not do this what are we?
I would like to see a thread devoted to the “sensativities,” not just sensabilities of what it is like to be Catholic. Where those who are Protestant are free from feeling riduculed… if that is really the term, though it is a loaded term… so, that we can have a real discussion free from any pride at all… it’s purpose?
- To educate those who are Protestant to the Catholic Faith.
- And, to educate those who are Catholic to the Protestant Faith. (How can a Catholic help a protestant understand the Catholic faith if they don’t even understand the Protestant faith?)
- Try to create a dialoge that actually helps us come together… (if we condemn each other, how can we come together.
- Try to allow our Protestant Brothers and Sisters to understand Catholism, with the knowledge and love so they can make there own choices to find us, sicne choices has always been the forefront of evangelism.
