What is the "good news"?

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Servant19 said:
If by this you meant “spiritual death” then Jesus did nothing because there is no spiritual death in Judaism for Christ to have to rectify…
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There was no Eternal Life in Judaism. Judaism didn’t teach that people went to Heaven.
Yes you have some prophets taken up before they died (where we believe they never
would die), but the Jews believed in Sheol, the Jews are from whom I got the word,
and that was the Grave, from which none returned.
 
Judas_Thaddeus said:
God is completely just. All true morality and justice is based on God.
When Adam sinned, Sin / Death entered the world, so he crippled us,
essentially. It is indeed a flaw in creation, but NOT in God, BECAUSE
HE’S GOD!!! Whatever God does is right, we have no right to question.
We can ask, we can seek learning, but we never place our own judge-
ment above God’s, which was essentially that very sin that makes us
all born spiritual dead and in need of a Savior.

Who are any of us to say, “I’m good enough for God”? No one. :tsktsk:
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I would rate God’s creation, according to your answer, a 3 out of 10 at best
His justice, beacuse my children are suffering and will CRY very hard when I die (all because of God made death “inheritable” from one persons mistake) a 1 out of 10, and thats being very generous.

Are there any other possible explanantions?

Because I don’t see much good news 😦

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Judas_Thaddeus said:
There was no Eternal Life in Judaism. Judaism didn’t teach that people went to Heaven.
Yes you have some prophets taken up before they died (where we believe they never
would die), but the Jews believed in Sheol, the Jews are from whom I got the word,
and that was the Grave, from which none returned.
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So, imagine we live in Judea and its 100BC. What is the motivation for abiding by the Law for Jews?
 
Servant19 said:
I would rate God’s creation, according to your answer, a 3 out of 10 at best
His justice, beacuse my children are suffering and will CRY very hard when I die (all because of God made death “inheritable” from one persons mistake) a 1 out of 10, and thats being very generous.
Are there any other possible explanantions?
Because I don’t see much good news 😦
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How you rated God’s Creation, fair if you are judging it as a fallen world, but it was perfect when it started, mind you.

God is just, no matter what we lesser creatures feel. It may not make sense now, but trust in God is vital to our salvation. Let’s assume you die, go to Heaven, and your children are crying over this. How long with the crying last? Will they never see you again? Maybe, provided they go to the wrong place. BUT if they do go to Heaven, then you and they can praise God together forever in everlasting joy, and even be able to experience the resurrection, and never die again.

Jesus died so that could happen for us, but do you accept this gift by grace?
 
Judas_Thaddeus said:
but it was perfect when it started, mind you.
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No it wasn’t fair from the very beginning.

It was created where the sins of one man and one woman was to be INHERITED.

To inherit death is a system that is flawed from the very beginning…making God Himself flawed…

Ask my children when I die…

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RebeccaJ said:
Love for God.
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Hi Rebecca, why would you love God if you spend your entire life suffering, toiling and abiding by His Law? … only to be sent to Hell…

I don’t see a very loveable God there at all. Do you?

Is it possible that when a person lives according to the Torah to the very best of their ability that they be rewarded by an All-Loving God?
 
Servant19 said:
So, imagine we live in Judea and its 100BC. What is the motivation for abiding by the Law for Jews?
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One, the idea that the faithful could live prosperously (if faithful enough), and
Two there is the hope in the resurrection. Yes the Jews believed in that too.
 
Servant19 said:
No it wasn’t fair from the very beginning.

It was created where the sins of one man and one woman was to be INHERITED.

To inherit death is a system that is flawed from the very beginning…making God Himself flawed…

Ask my children when I die…

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Sin is not inherited. An inheritance was lost. Your children cannot inherit something you don’t have.
 
Judas_Thaddeus said:
One, the idea that the faithful could live prosperously (if faithful enough), and
Two there is the hope in the resurrection. Yes the Jews believed in that too.
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Also why have hope in the resurrection?

There was no eternal life until Jesus came. You said that yourself…

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Servant19 said:
No it wasn’t fair from the very beginning.
It was created where the sins of one man and one woman was to be INHERITED.
To inherit death is a system that is flawed from the very beginning…making God Himself flawed…
Ask my children when I die…
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It is fair because God decided.
The only reason we inherit sin is because we are born from sinful people in a sinful world.

Being only, again, a revert I am unable to go into all the theologics behind that, but don’t
just throw it all away and not search because it doesn’t make sense to you currently.

You are placing your judgement above that of God’s,
which is again the very sin that brought up the Fall.
 
Servant19 said:
Hi Rebecca, why would you love God if you spend your entire life suffering, toiling and abiding by His Law? … only to be sent to Hell…

I don’t see a very loveable God there at all. Do you?

Is it possible that when a person lives according to the Torah to the very best of their ability that they be rewarded by an All-Loving God?
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As far as I know, and I am not Jewish, Jews don’t believe in hell as you are using it.

Hell, speaking in Catholic terms, refers to different ideas. One, “Limbo of the Fathers” which is not the hell of the damned but a state or place that is neither heaven or the hell of the damned. That is my understanding of Sheol, that it was a place or state of the souls who died before Jesus freed them after his death. They were not in the hell of the damned, and not in heaven, but in limbo.
 
Judas_Thaddeus said:
Better than being dead forever and GOD SAID.
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God said, but did people necessarily understand?

“Better than being dead forever”

So when you said:
Judas_Thaddeus said:
In rising, he restored Eternal Life.
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Was there eternal life before Jesus came or not? Because now you are saying that there was life eternal, while Jews waited for the resurrection…

You can’t wait for the resurrection if you are not alive…

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Judas_Thaddeus said:
Okay, but that doesn’t represent ancient Judaism.
Judaism saw many changes after, and in response to, the arrival of Christianity.
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So how do you know Christianity today represents ancient Christianity??? :confused:

You cant dismiss Jewish teaching like that…
 
RebeccaJ said:
As far as I know, and I am not Jewish, Jews don’t believe in hell as you are using it.

Hell, speaking in Catholic terms, refers to different ideas. One, “Limbo of the Fathers” which is not the hell of the damned but a state or place that is neither heaven or the hell of the damned. That is my understanding of Sheol, that it was a place or state of the souls who died before Jesus freed them after his death. They were not in the hell of the damned, and not in heaven, but in limbo.
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Still doesn’t make it loving nor just, sister Rebecca.

This is God we are talking about.

I think I can pull off better justice and better love than whats presented as God’s Truth here…

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Servant19 said:
Was there eternal life before Jesus came or not? Because now you are saying that there was life eternal, while Jews waited for the resurrection…

You can’t wait for the resurrection if you are not alive…
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I told you, there was no eternal life before Jesus died. The Jews did wait
for the resurrection, they did believe in it, but they expected it to come
after the end of the world.
 
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