What is the Muslim's view of the Trinity?

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Hey everyone. What is the Muslim’s view of the Trinity? I know that they do not believe in the Trinity and I know that they do not believe that Jesus is God. They do believe that Jesus is a prophet not that He is the Son of God. But anyway, what exactly do they think we believe about the Trinity? I think I read somewhere once that they believe that we think the Blessed Virgin Mary is part of the Trinity. Is this true?
 
Holly3278 said:
Hey everyone. What is the Muslim’s view of the Trinity? I know that they do not believe in the Trinity and I know that they do not believe that Jesus is God. They do believe that Jesus is a prophet not that He is the Son of God. But anyway, what exactly do they think we believe about the Trinity? I think I read somewhere once that they believe that we think the Blessed Virgin Mary is part of the Trinity. Is this true?
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They believe pretty much what the Jews believe: “Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one”. They see the Trinity as a kind of polytheism. They also believe Jesus was a prophet, but that He was a little confused about who he was.
 
owensjo said:
They believe pretty much what the Jews believe: “Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one”. They see the Trinity as a kind of polytheism. They also believe Jesus was a prophet, but that He was a little confused about who he was.
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I’m not sure Muslims believe that Jesus was confused about his identity but that Christians are confused, as well as Jews.
 
In our terms its heresy
One of Christ missions at his return is to punish Christains for this insult to Allah.
 
meltzerboy said:
I’m not sure Muslims believe that Jesus was confused about his identity but that Christians are confused, as well as Jews.
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Sorry, I was being sarcastic. Jesus stated, many times, that he was the Son of God… He clearly did not see Himself as a mere prophet.
 
My guess right off the bat would think that when Muslims hear the word Trinity it conjures up,the question why “Three” as in Tri means three when God is One or “Uni”!

But I’ll let Muslims speak for themselves:o

MJ
 
It’s often identified as blasphemous because of our association of other beings (e.g. Jesus - who they believe to be human) with God. This accompanied by their strict insistence on the single person unity of God means that identifying the Holy Spirit and the Father as God amounts to division and a denial of the oneness (in person) of God.

So ultimately the Trinity is decried as being guilty of “shirk,” or the association or partnership of anything with God, which includes anything from idolatry to polytheism to Trinitarianism/Binitarianism/etc.

And you’re right, there is a Surah in the Quran that seems to incorrectly identify the Theotokos as belonging to the Christian Godhead: 5:116.
 
Holly3278 said:
Hey everyone. What is the Muslim’s view of the Trinity? I know that they do not believe in the Trinity and I know that they do not believe that Jesus is God. They do believe that Jesus is a prophet not that He is the Son of God. But anyway, what exactly do they think we believe about the Trinity?** I think I read somewhere once that they believe that we think the Blessed Virgin Mary is part of the Trinity. Is this true?**
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I’ve heard this as well a couple dozen times from Muslims, and they all were shocked when I corrected them on what the Christian belief about the Trinity is. Quite possibly some passage in the Qur’an or the Hadiths erroneously claim that the Blessed Virgin Mary is part of the Trinity.

I know there was an old heresy from the 4th century called Collyridianism, which posited that the Blessed Virgin Mary (along with God the Father and God the Son) constituted the Trinity, and I’ve heard it argued that since this heresy was pretty prevalent in Arabia, Muhammad may have been exposed to this, and subsequently assumed that it represented orthodox Christian teaching. I don’t know how late this heresy lasted, so it may not suffice as an explanation since Muhammad didn’t enter the scene until the 7th century.
 
Muslims don’t even know how to define the trinity in order to have a valid view of it in the first place, even from their theological stand point of unitarianism.
 
Anyone have any information on the life of the Muslim “Jesus”? He obviously can’t be the same Jesus we know of from multiple separate accounts and testimonies. What did their “Jesus” come to prophesy? If he didn’t die to remit their sins, then what was his purpose?
 
neokarny said:
And you’re right, there is a Surah in the Quran that seems to incorrectly identify the Theotokos as belonging to the Christian Godhead: 5:116.
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That’s quite a vague reference. This verse implies to me that Muslims view the Hyperdulia we offer to our Lady as tantamount to the Latria we offer to God (similar to how some Protestants accuse us of making Our Lady into a goddess). Are there any verses that say explicitly that the Christian Trinity consists of the Father, the Son, and the Blessed Virgin Mary?
 
Matthew 24:36, Jesus speaking: “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” While Jesus was certainly blessed by God with extraordinary powers, the claim that Jesus is all knowing is completely and utterly denied by Jesus’ own words here. Jesus does not know the hour in which the actual end will take place. If he were God, he most certainly would know for it is his (God’s) master plan. There exists no scripture, let alone Jesus’ own words, that says he is all-knowing. Some apostles may ask Jesus that, since he knew all things, would he please explain this or that…but to claim that these scriptures say Jesus knows all would be in direct conflict with Jesus’ words here. We know it has to be one way or the other, so which is it?
 
Father: God
Son: Jesus(PBUH)
Holy Spirit: Gabriel(AS)

We worship the father, but we don’t call it father we call Him God, as he begets none nor is he begotten.
 
29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, “We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one(i.e. Allah); and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.”

This is from the Quran to declare we worship the same God as in Judaism and in Christianity. And also shows how we should respect people of the scriptures.

I posted this on another thread.
 
expounder said:
Matthew 24:36, Jesus speaking: “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” While Jesus was certainly blessed by God with extraordinary powers, the claim that Jesus is all knowing is completely and utterly denied by Jesus’ own words here. Jesus does not know the hour in which the actual end will take place. If he were God, he most certainly would know for it is his (God’s) master plan. There exists no scripture, let alone Jesus’ own words, that says he is all-knowing. Some apostles may ask Jesus that, since he knew all things, would he please explain this or that…but to claim that these scriptures say Jesus knows all would be in direct conflict with Jesus’ words here. We know it has to be one way or the other, so which is it?
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You really should stop using the Bible that present day Muslims say is not the original scripture.🤷

Plus proof texting should be avoided.

MJ
 
MissyB786 said:
29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say,** "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you**. And our God and your God is one(i.e. Allah); and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."

This is from the Quran to declare we worship the same God as in Judaism and in Christianity. And also shows how we should respect people of the scriptures.

I posted this on another thread.
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The Gospels were revealed to us, so reading this verse, the muslims should believe in them also…

So… this begs the question:

If you read …

109: Surah Al-Kafirun ~The Disbelievers
Code: 
Say: "Oh, you who disbelieve!
"I do not worship that which you worship,
"Nor do you worship That Which I worship.
"Nor will I worship that which you have been worshipping,
"Neither will you worship That Which I worship.
"To you your religion and to me mine."
~

Who are the they…???
 
jakasaki said:
The Gospels were revealed to us, so reading this verse, the muslims should believe in them also…

So… this begs the question:

If you read …

109: Surah Al-Kafirun ~The Disbelievers
Code: 
Say: "Oh, you who disbelieve!
"I do not worship that which you worship,
"Nor do you worship That Which I worship.
"Nor will I worship that which you have been worshipping,
"Neither will you worship That Which I worship.
"To you your religion and to me mine."
~

Who are the they…???
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Idol worshipers, pagans

Also we do worship the same God, but the obvious difference being the son of God. So we cannot worship a Prophet but we worship the ‘Father’ who we refer to as Allah or God or 99 others names as we find father not to be an appropriate name.
 
MissyB786 said:
Idol worshipers, pagans

Also we do worship the same God, but the obvious difference being the son of God. So we cannot worship a Prophet but we worship the ‘Father’ who we refer to as Allah or God or 99 others names as we find father not to be an appropriate name.
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Thanks Missy ~

But you muslims do not acknowledge God as “father”, but you are the slave of “allah”
 
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