What is the mystery in the Third Joyful Mystery?

[FrDavid96]

FrDavid96, are you speculating that Faith in God’s divine revelation of the Virgin conception and Virgin birth of the Word incarnate is not a miracle divine revealed in the Mystery of God?

No.

If you would read the words I’ve posted here, you will see that I repeatedly affirm the perpetual Virginity of our Blessed Mother.

Since you have not yet read what I wrote, I would ask that you please do so before asking that sort of question.

My second post in this thread was to say that no one is denying the Virgin birth. I include myself in the words “no one.”

Is it really necessary for me to explain that further?

I have no desire in reading a closed thread, that ended with negative exchanges of the Blessed Virgin Mary miracle birth. So can you please explain when did “sound reason” ever replace faith?

You are taking my words out of context. If you read them in context, the meaning is plain.

I never said that sound reason replaces faith. I said that my reasoning is sound.

What purpose do you hope to achieve by such questions that only twist the words I wrote? Maybe you don’t intend to do it, but that doesn’t change that you are doing it.

And please do not accuse anyone of advocating for less faith instead of more. That does not help your argument at all, to merely make an appeal to emotion.

I don’t mean to go off topic here with your above post, but I am shocked to read that you compared "Faith, “to merely make an appeal to emotion”? From your post above can you please clarify if I misunderstood your post?

If you had actually read my comment as it was posted, as a direct rebuttal to an earlier sentence, it makes perfect sense.

The first poster tried to imply that anyone who disagrees with his position somehow has “less faith” by saying “we need more faith not less.”

That is not a sound argument in favor of ones position. That is what we call an “appeal to emotion.”

It is a false appeal to emotion, a fallacy: if you disagree with me, you have less faith. If you want more faith, agree with me.

It is the same thing we see from politicians all the time “if you are patriotic, you will vote for me.”

 

[BlackFriar]

You seem unable to grasp what the three of us are fairly united on attempting to communicate you.
I am fairly confident other readers without axes to grind can.
God bless.

 

[FrDavid96]

FrDavid96:

What value does this uphold? What truth does it prove? What purpose does it serve?

I know the answers to those questions as they were asked in past centuries.

This is not a meaningless question: why?

What do you see as the value being upheld in such a claim?

I believe Luke the Physician who records the Gospel of the Annunciation and the Virgin birth gives ample value of physical properties of the Virgin Mary giving birth is a miracle and by divine revelation.

Grant it, Luke the physician does not give us any scientific language pertaining to the Blessed Virgin Mary conceiving and giving birth, because there is none to give that is nothing short of a miracle taking place.

Luke a physician, is upholding faith in a miracle divinely revealed by God in the Virgin birth.

God’s purpose for this divine revelation fulfills God’s prophetic Words through His prophets that “this child will be born of a Virgin” which produces Joy and faith in God’s people, when the Word of God became incarnated, which is nothing for God to do, but is a miracle to those who believe in God, who can do all things.

Since I have REPEATEDLY reminded readers here over and over again that I do not doubt the perpetual Virginity of Mary, I can only assume that you have not read anything I have written.

Please read what I wrote first. Then ask me questions about what I wrote.

 

[OriginalGabrielof12]

Glad to read your clarification and thank you

 

[FrDavid96]

My post addressed this quote from the OP, “are not required to believe in any miracle at the biological level”. …

Eureka!

This is the problem. I see it now.

You have not read the earlier post.

You do not understand the context.

You do not understand what the OP wrote.

The opening statement is a euphemism, to avoid being crass and disrespectful to the Blessed Virgin Mother.

It is not about her Virginity as such.

That sentence is a polite way of saying that the topic here is about something else, something secondary to Her Perpetual Virginity. Something better left unmentioned in a polite conversation.

Maybe someone will private message you about it to explain.

 

[OriginalGabrielof12]

I was not responding to your faith or comments. I was answering your question below;

My point is mainly that it seems fairly sensible to believe that her biology was also miraculously kept in tact,

Why?
Seriously, why?
What value does this uphold?What truth does it prove? What purpose does it serve?
I know the answers to those questions as they were asked in past centuries.
This is not a meaningless question: why?

What do you see as the value being upheld in such a claim?

 

[FrDavid96]

???

I think I know the source of the confustion

OriginalGabrielof12:

My post addressed this quote from the OP, “are not required to believe in any miracle at the biological level”. …

Eureka!

This is the problem. I see it now.

The opening statement is a euphemism, to avoid being crass and disrespectful to the Blessed Virgin Mother.

It is not about her Virginity as such.

That sentence is a polite way of saying that the topic here is about something else, something secondary to Her Perpetual Virginity. Something better left unmentioned in a polite conversation.

Maybe someone will private message you about it to explain.

 

[FrDavid96]

I was not responding to your faith or comments. I was answering your question below;

You are misunderstanding the whole thread because you are not yet aware that the statement in the OP is a polite euphemism for something else.

 

[OriginalGabrielof12]

No, I believe you entered here posting thoughts from another thread. This new thread deals with the Third Joyful Mystery. Which I have been alluding too.

But I agree with you, your post’'s have complicated this thread with subjects from another thread.

 

[FrDavid96]

No, I believe you entered here posting thoughts from another thread. This new thread deals with the Third Joyful Mystery. Which I have been alluding too.

But I agree with you, your post’'s have complicated this thread with subjects from another thread.

You still don’t get it.

It deals with the 3rd Mystery. It does NOT question the Virgin Birth.

Because you don’t know the subject we’re discussing, you only THINK you are reading someone, anyone, questioning the Virgin Birth.

I am thinking about, theologizing about, suggesting for conversation…many ways to phrase that, something OTHER THAN what you think.

If you would just please wait for an explanation, it will make more sense to you.

 

[brian_custer]

the thread is degenerating into open offensiveness against the Blessed Virgin Mother;

i would request that the “mods” if they even exist (except to to threaten to ban me) close this thread

the topic was been hashed & re-hashed and all but the most immature of us understand how babies are “Born”

can we move on?

 

[FrDavid96]

the thread is degenerating into open offensiveness against the Blessed Virgin Mother;

i would request that the “mods” if they even exist (except to to threaten to ban me) close this thread

the topic was been hashed & re-hashed and all but the most immature of us understand how babies are “Born”

can we move on?

Those of us mature enough to engage in a theological conversation would rather like to have one.

If you don’t like the conversation, feel free to unsubscribe.

 

[brian_custer]

what else is there to say about it father?

the “mods” (?lol) have pm’d me my comments have been inappropriate

many of these posts about Mary are very disrespectful

 

[OriginalGabrielof12]

Very well, if your going to take the position of the OP.

Please allow me to redirect here;

Please explain to me,
What is the mystery in the Third Joyful Mystery?

 

[brian_custer]

that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary

that is a mystery

wow; we einsteins can’t understand everything by google

i’ll sleep a little less better tonight (not)

 

[FrDavid96]

Very well, if your going to take the position of the OP.

Please allow me to redirect here;

Please explain to me,
What is the mystery in the Third Joyful Mystery?

If we were in the same room, I would shout at you “Shut up. Sit down. And Listen.”

You are so darned determined to think one thing that you won’t give anyone a chance to explain to you what is happening here.

 

[OriginalGabrielof12]

lol ok, I quess that settles that thread

 

[OriginalGabrielof12]

Ok, once again, you have the board or at least my attention? Please explain

 

[FrDavid96]

that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary

that is a mystery

wow; we einsteins can’t understand everything by google

i’ll sleep a little less better tonight (not)

Same thing.

Stop ranting. Calm down. Allow someone to explain.

 

[FrDavid96]

I am going to make a cup of tea.

Then I will return to my desk with said tea.

In the meantime, I am calling a “time out.”

Everyone calm down. Take a breath. Think happy thoughts.