What is the number one value within our world?

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Most would say it’s money, and the power and prestige attached to it. But I say that the number one value, one which drives all other values, is world security! Capitalism and money are subordinate to the value of world security. Does anybody else agree with me? I see great growth and prospering of the world in the past 150 years.

(One might say that religion is the number-one values, and I would have no problems with that!)

Please note that the world’s growth and prosperity over the past 150 years was only possible with outside help!

What is it that drives the process of your having food on your table each and every day?
 
Robert_Sock said:
Most would say it’s money, and the power and prestige attached to it. But I say that the number one value, one which drives all other values, is world security! Capitalism and money are subordinate to the value of world security. Does anybody else agree with me? I see great growth and prospering of the world in the past 150 years.

(One might say that religion is the number-one values, and I would have no problems with that!)

Please note that the world’s growth and prosperity over the past 150 years was only possible with outside help!

What is it that drives the process of your having food on your table each and every day?
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Are you talking about what the number one value currently is in my opinion, or the value that ought to be number one?

mda
 
Pursuit of happiness or Avoidance of pain? That seems kind of important to most everyone I meet.
 
Pug said:
Pursuit of happiness or Avoidance of pain? That seems kind of important to most everyone I meet.
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I was really interested in values at the societal level. What are the values that drive our society?
 
The Family Structure is the Number One value. 👍

World security, thats a superstition o f ignorance, :confused: along the line of the existence of this state of Israel thing thats going on…
 
Robert_Sock said:
Most would say it’s money, and the power and prestige attached to it. But I say that the number one value, one which drives all other values, is world security! Capitalism and money are subordinate to the value of world security. Does anybody else agree with me? I see great growth and prospering of the world in the past 150 years.

(One might say that religion is the number-one values, and I would have no problems with that!)

Please note that the world’s growth and prosperity over the past 150 years was only possible with outside help!

What is it that drives the process of your having food on your table each and every day?
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According to a recent global survey of “moral ethicists” the top five values are: Honesty, Responsibility, Respect, Fairness and Compassion.

Supposedly this was a composite including the world’s largest social groups and organized religions. I heard it on NPR but do not remember the source.
 
There is one one absolute value in the world, and one Ruler- QUEEN VANITY. All other values (wealth, pleasure, fame, power) are merely her thralls. All is VANITY.
 
Qoeleth said:
There is one one absolute value in the world, and one Ruler- QUEEN VANITY. All other values (wealth, pleasure, fame, power) are merely her thralls. All is VANITY.
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Well, of course someone named Qoeleth would say that. 😛 😃
 
Robert_Sock said:
I was really interested in values at the societal level. What are the values that drive our society?
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I don’t know the answer. Security is a reasonable guess to proffer.

I don’t perceive my family acting primarily for that, though. They seem more interested in being able to be independent and follow their own pursuits. There is no reason to think my family is representative, of course.
 
Qoeleth said:
There is one one absolute value in the world, and one Ruler- QUEEN VANITY. All other values (wealth, pleasure, fame, power) are merely her thralls. All is VANITY.
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That’s not fair, all things are vanity! 😃
 
Pug said:
Pursuit of happiness or Avoidance of pain? That seems kind of important to most everyone I meet.
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I think you point to instincts rather than vlaues Pug.

“Tolerance” is I think the number one value. Our culture is now a secular areligious one and tolerance is the value necessary to replace the impossibility of morality consequent on the privatisation of moral judgment…as you know “private or personal morality” are contradictions in terms.
 
Aboveallbereal said:
I think you point to instincts rather than vlaues Pug.

“Tolerance” is I think the number one value. Our culture is now a secular areligious one and tolerance is the value necessary to replace the impossibility of morality consequent on the privatisation of moral judgment…as you know “private or personal morality” are contradictions in terms.
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What are values? I don’t feel I grasp this concept as used culturally. If tolerance is the number one value, it is valuable because it gets us something, something that people actually want, like peace? So to our culture tolerance seems to be the most effective or desirable means to peace (or whatever it is that tolerance gets us that people actually want)?
 
Pug said:
What are values? I don’t feel I grasp this concept as used culturally. If tolerance is the number one value, it is valuable because it gets us something, something that people actually want, like peace? So to our culture tolerance seems to be the most effective or desirable means to peace (or whatever it is that tolerance gets us that people actually want)?
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_(personal_and_cultural)

*A personal value is extremely absolute or relative ethical value, the assumption of which can be the basis for ethical action. A value system is a set of consistent values and measures. A principle value is a foundation upon which other values and measures of integrity are based. Those values which are not physiologically determined and normally considered objective, such as a desire to avoid physical pain, seek pleasure, etc., are considered subjective, vary across individuals and cultures and are in many ways aligned with belief and belief systems. Types of values include ethical/moral value, doctrinal/ideological (religious, political) values, social values, and aesthetic values. It is debated whether some values which are not clearly physiologically determined are intrinsic such as altruism and whether some such as acquisitiveness should be valued as vices or virtues. Values have typically been studied in sociology, anthropology, social psychology, moral philosophy, and business ethics.

Values can be defined as broad preferences concerning appropriate courses of action or outcomes. As such, **values reflect a person’s sense of right and wrong or what “ought” to be. *“Equal rights for all”, “Excellence deserves admiration”, and “People should be treated with respect and dignity” are representative of values. Values tend to influence attitudes and behavior. For example, if you value equal rights for all and you go to work for an organization that treats its managers much better than it does its workers, you may form the attitude that the company is an unfair place to work; consequently, you may not produce well or may perhaps leave the company. It is likely that if the company had a more egalitarian policy, your attitude and behaviors would have been more positive.
 
migueltojose said:
*…As such, **values reflect a person’s sense of right and wrong or what “ought” to be. ***“Equal rights for all”, “Excellence deserves admiration”, and “People should be treated with respect and dignity” are representative of values. Values tend to influence attitudes and behavior…
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Your quote uses many words that indicate ethics or moral courses of action or oughts. Yet Robert Stock proposed “world security” as the premier value of his society. Does this mean that he is saying that many people in society are choosing world security as a major director of moral action and pursuits?

:hmmm: I can see pursuing the good of all, an all that includes all people on the earth, as a moral motivator, yes, so that all can flourish and be human and happy. Usually, though, I think we act closer to home with this, toward those in our immediate line of vision.

For some reason I was taught in school (secular school) to use the word “values” as quite distinct from “morals” and “principles”. No wonder I get confused.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Most would say it’s money, and the power and prestige attached to it. But I say that the number one value, one which drives all other values, is world security! Capitalism and money are subordinate to the value of world security. Does anybody else agree with me? I see great growth and prospering of the world in the past 150 years.

(One might say that religion is the number-one values, and I would have no problems with that!)

Please note that the world’s growth and prosperity over the past 150 years was only possible with outside help!

What is it that drives the process of your having food on your table each and every day?
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Depending on where in the world the values pertaining to the family, respect for the dead, Some kind of dignity, and/or community much of the time take prominence most or at least part of the time If not then some other uncommon value takes prominence/standing.

Shalom
God bless
 
Robert_Sock said:
Most would say it’s money, and the power and prestige attached to it. But I say that the number one value, one which drives all other values, is world security! Capitalism and money are subordinate to the value of world security. Does anybody else agree with me? I see great growth and prospering of the world in the past 150 years.

(One might say that religion is the number-one values, and I would have no problems with that!)

Please note that the world’s growth and prosperity over the past 150 years was only possible with outside help!

What is it that drives the process of your having food on your table each and every day?
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I think when you ask people you will get a lot of different answers but if you look around I think the only real answer you can come up with is sex – it seems to drive almost everything – it seems to be portrayed and pursued with a dedication rarely seen. Just look at the number of threads on these forums dealing with sexual issues–even among those trying to live the faith it is a topic that can’t seem to be avoided. The question on many peoples minds is not “How can I become a saint” but “How far can I go in the bedroom”. So while people will give you more “correct” answers–observation of society would in my, most likely worthless, opinion lead one to conclude that what the west or at least america values most is sex no matter what we claim.

Peace,
Mark
 
MarkInOregon said:
I think when you ask people you will get a lot of different answers but if you look around I think the only real answer you can come up with is sex – it seems to drive almost everything – it seems to be portrayed and pursued with a dedication rarely seen. Just look at the number of threads on these forums dealing with sexual issues–even among those trying to live the faith it is a topic that can’t seem to be avoided. The question on many peoples minds is not “How can I become a saint” but “How far can I go in the bedroom”. So while people will give you more “correct” answers–observation of society would in my, most likely worthless, opinion lead one to conclude that what the west or at least america values most is sex no matter what we claim.

Peace,
Mark
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Values or needs, wants, desires… I think, intellectually anyway, there is a difference…

And the eternal quest for ‘satisfying’ sex is after all really just a physical substitute for the need for unconditional love. Sex is quite misunderstood which is the basis for many a social ill… Madison Avenue has been exploiting that for a long time… Unfortunately, the search for unconditional love often leads to an illogical desire to force or make or perhaps will someone to love us unconditionally which leads to these social ills. The only place to find unconditional love is through the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (preferably but not necessarily with and including a spouse). We are deluded to be convinced otherwise (by advertisers and ego… power trips)…

So, in that sense, although misunderstood, the number one value is love.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Most would say it’s money, and the power and prestige attached to it.
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Both of those are pretty attractive things.
What is it that drives the process of your having food on your table each and every day?
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I think if you’re born into a situation where you’re basic material needs are met, then you have the luxury to look to fulfill your working life in ways that are more correlated to or associated with power and prestige. Basically, anyone born in the United States has the luxury of this option (children forcibly starved by there abusive parents or guardians aside).

It’s probably best seeking lawful ways in which you can provide for a future family, like what you do for a living, and contribute to society in a positive way. Seeking those things before and above power and prestige.

But many of us probably seek power and prestige above those other things.

I have to give credit to some young people that go to school to be aeronautical pilots, collecting debt over $100,000 just to earn around $20,000 a year as a new pilot. That’s not financial power at first, though I suppose it does come around a decade and half later. But I suppose the job even at $20,000 a year comes with prestige. More prestige than being a school janitor. And I suspect many of those young people willingly collect $100,000 of school debt to earn a small $20,000 salary because they have a love and great desire to fly aircrafts. A passion in their hearts.

Why do you think most people become lawyers or go to school to obtain their MBA?

I don’t think too many single, young males aspire to be nurses aids. That certainly is a line of work you can help people in and it brings an honest paycheck.
 
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