What is the opinion of the apologists of this article on the Shroud of Turin?

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It’s pretty much traveled all over the world, so I’m not surprised.

I hope it’s genuine. It certainly is a mystery since no scientist can explain how the image got onto the cloth.
 
This doesn’t prove or disprove a thing. It has traveled. People from all over the world have witnessed the shroud, handled it, breathed on it.
 
Athanasiy said:
Mystery of the Shroud of Turin deepens: Genetic study reveals the fabric contains DNA from plants found all over the world

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Even if the Shroud is eventually, finally and definitely proven to be without a doubt NOT the burial shroud of the Lord (highly unlikely such proofs will definitely be found), the Shroud itself is not an article of the faith, so ultimately, there is no issue. Even though the Church has permitted its veneration, it has not pronounced on its authenticity.

So if the Shroud turns out to be a fraud, big deal. The Church will rule, suppress its veneration and move on.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
It’s pretty much traveled all over the world, so I’m not surprised.

I hope it’s genuine. It certainly is a mystery since no scientist can explain how the image got onto the cloth.
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It hasn’t really been all over the world, only Europe and W. Asia.

But it has been in existence for a long time and genetic debris does get around.

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Well, the genetic debris found on it includes plants from NA and SA.

But the Shroud’s provenance is known since 1357. Since then, it has not been to the New World.

Ergo, it was never in the New World.

So these findings prove nothing about where it has been or was made.

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porthos11 said:
Even if the Shroud is eventually, finally and definitely proven to be without a doubt NOT the burial shroud of the Lord (highly unlikely such proofs will definitely be found), the Shroud itself is not an article of the faith, so ultimately, there is no issue. Even though the Church has permitted its veneration, it has not pronounced on its authenticity.

So if the Shroud turns out to be a fraud, big deal. The Church will rule, suppress its veneration and move on.
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Right. But I don’t know that the Church would even need to suppress its veneration. Even if it were not authentic, it is still a great icon and could be venerated as much as the Pieta or other such works of art.
 
GEddie said:
It hasn’t really been all over the world, only Europe and W. Asia.

But it has been in existence for a long time and genetic debris does get around.

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Scientists from all over the world have touched it, studied it. And we really don’t know that it hasn’t been all over the world. Can you trace its route back to Jesus? No, of course not. No one can. So, it’s possible that it may have traveled all over the world. At any rate, I’m not surprised at anything found on the Shroud.
 
Lily_Bernans said:
Scientists from all over the world have touched it, studied it. And we really don’t know that it hasn’t been all over the world. Can you trace its route back to Jesus? No, of course not. No one can. So, it’s possible that it may have traveled all over the world. At any rate, I’m not surprised at anything found on the Shroud.
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Europe to NA and SA before 1357 is outlandish, though. Did Leif Ericcson send for it to carry it to Vinland???

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Athanasiy said:
Mystery of the Shroud of Turin deepens: Genetic study reveals the fabric contains DNA from plants found all over the world

Read more: dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3279760/Mystery-Shroud-Turin-deepens-Genetic-study-reveals-fabric-contains-DNA-plants-world.html#ixzz3pBswO2BG
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This would be true of our altar cloths as well (if we did not launder them regularly) We get plants and flowers from all over the world placed in our sanctuary all of the time.
 
GEddie said:
Europe to NA and SA before 1357 is outlandish, though. Did Leif Ericcson send for it to carry it to Vinland???

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It’s certainly not probably that it ever got to NA or SA, however not impossible. I would guess the plant material came from the clothes or hands of those who handled it, though. It was handled a lot before the Catholic Church removed it even from perpetual display in Turin.

I would think that if it ever got to NA or SA, it would have remained there. The cloth covering the face of Jesus is supposed to be in Spain, though, and while there is no image on that cloth, the bloodstains do match the bloodstains on the Shroud.

There is another thread about the Shroud. I posted a computer-generated photo of what Jesus (if that is the burial shroud of Jesus) would have looked like at the moment of Resurrection on that thread.
 
Joe_5859 said:
Right. But I don’t know that the Church would even need to suppress its veneration. Even if it were not authentic, it is still a great icon and could be venerated as much as the Pieta or other such works of art.
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I have read several books about the Shroud of Turin including one written by members of the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP). One of the most interesting to me was one of the earliest, the one written by Ian Wilson in 1977, because it traces some bits of history that could link the shroud all the way back to the time of Christ, including some time spent hidden away in a tower in Edessa, and possibly some time spent in the custody of the Knights Templar, before winding up in Medieval France. It was fascinating for the history if nothing else.

The scientific details are intriguing, and those are detailed in other books. The question of the carbon dating would seem to make the shroud no older than medieval times, but that has been disputed as well. As to the speculation that the image was formed by a burst of radiation, one wonders what effect that might have had on the C-14 composition of the fibers of the cloth.

I think the shroud is most likely the burial cloth of Jesus. But it’s not something to place one’s faith in. I remember an old priest once commenting about a priest friend of his who was a shroud aficionado. “So what?” he said to his friend. “So what if it’s authentic? It won’t change my faith. And if it’s fake, it won’t change my faith either.”

So while it’s a fascinating object, one shouldn’t place all his faith on one possible artifact.
 
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