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What is the origin of the Mass? Is it explained in Scripture?
Jesus is not re-sacrificed. His ONE sacrifice is made present to us through the consecration.such as the re-sacrificing of Jesus at each gathering.
Asking for a reference to the mass in the scriptures hints at a “sola scriptura” posture. Firstly, “mass” has a 20th century connotation - but if we were to go back to origins, it may be more relevant to look for references to a “paschal meal” or " the breaking of bread". These earliest references in the Acts and Pauls writings have already been provided.Thanks, do you have those passages…?
Technically you’re talking about the same thing. Breaking of the bread is literally bringing that moment into the present.but other than breaking bread together, the church in the book of Acts and in the remaining NT, I don’t see anything similar to a Catholic Mass celebrated, such as the re-sacrificing of Jesus at each gathering
Right. The Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus – but present in sacramental mode and not the normal mode of human bodies. That, itself, doesn’t equate to “re-sacrificing”.Council of Trent, 13th Session, Canon I : “(the Eucharist) is truly, really and substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ .” Catholic Mass is the “ unbloody sacrifice” of Jesus."
This means that we aren’t re-sacrificing Jesus – that is, killing him all over again. What it does mean is that we are offering a remembrance – as Jesus explicitly asked us to do! – and one that re-presents Jesus’ offering of self to the Father for our salvation. Do we kill Him all over again? Nope. Do we honor and memorialize this sacrifice, and make it present to the Father. After all, we’re called as “a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.”Catholic Mass is the “ unbloody sacrifice” of Jesus."
Right. We are not offering something different, but the same thing differently. As you quoted, " the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner." Jesus wishes us to memorialize His sacrifice. We do that."The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice
And so, you would have been one of those followers of Jesus who left Him, when he preached what we find written in John 6?But no one ate Jesus… and that would have violated Levitical and Rabinic law…
OK. Fair enough. Is the struggle with what the Mass is, or its particular rubrics and prayers today?But I’m struggling with the connection to Mass, as it is performed today.
Actually, it’s based on two sources: Apostolic teaching and Scripture.You mention that the Catholic doctrine is based on Holy Scripture
Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Better yet, look at all the footnotes which support the teachings therein on Scriptural verses.but you’re not a scripture scholar… so, how do you know Catholic doctrine and Scripture are connected…?
I’m still looking for that NT connection that supports the elements of the Mass, such as transubstantiation… the Mortal sin if the Mass is missed… etc…
Catholic doctrine is not based on Holy Scripture. But it is entirely biblical. The roots of Christianity is in the Jewish tradition. That tradition produced the Old Testament. Similarly, the Catholic Tradition produced the New Testament.You mention that the Catholic doctrine is based on Holy Scripture, but you’re not a scripture scholar… so, how do you know Catholic doctrine and Scripture are connected…? Just curious…