What is the origin of the Mass? Is it explained in Scripture?

[hope]

Two final thoughts: eating flesh was not only against their current laws, it was cannibalism.

Why do you think that it was so abhorrent to those who were listening to Him. You do know that the early Christians were accused of cannibalism because of the Eucharist?
Show me one place where He uses Amen or Verily that it was ever figuratively. Any time He used it, it was l am telling you the truth. In fact, that is what it means I am telling you the truth. You are not just disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with Jesus.

 

[MrZoom]

How to be saved - Right from God:
Rom 10:9-10 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

I agree completely with this passage. But I also know it is not the only condition of salvation contained in the scriptures.

We must believe and be baptized. Mark 16:16 - Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Also Acts 2:38 Peter [said] to them, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit.

1 Peter 3:21 says baptism saves.
This prefigured baptism, which saves you now. It is not a removal of dirt from the body but an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ…

We must be attentive to the “least of these”. If we don’t we could lose our salvation. Matthew 25:31-46 (this was one of the passages that convinced me that “faith alone” was false). Note in this passage the ones who did not care for the least of these called Him “Lord”. “Lord, when did we see You…?” They were still lost.

And so on.

 

[MarkInOregon]

You can call it my opinion but Christ said to Peter “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

 

[hope]

I would add to your excellent post that the entire Matthew 25 is about what is necessary for us not to loose salvation.
We are to stay awake as Matthew later states to preserve to the end. Matthew 24:13 Many false prophets will arise and deceive many;and because of the increase of evildoing, the love of many will grow cold.But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.
We are to use are talents that He gives us “For to everyone who has, more will be given and he will grow rich; but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.”
Then of course the command for the Eucharist
John 6

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.

Do not work for food that perishes but for the food that endures for eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him the Father, God, has set his seal."

Will give you future tense and fulfilled

“This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.”

"This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.

 

[goout]

Uriel1:

I have a free publication called “the Mass in Scripture” on PDF
If you PM me your e-mail address I’ll send you a copy

Thanks so much for the offer… I have over 12 years of research on this, so I’m betting I already have it… but I do appreciate that…!

I guess I’m confused then why you started a topic titled

What is the origin of the Mass? Is it explained in Scripture?​

It doesn’t sound like you really want an answer to your question, but rather you are setting up a pinata for demolition.

 

[goout]

Looking up how many times Jesus uses food/drink metaphors might help…

Jesus didn’t merely use food in parables or for metaphors. Jesus himself made a point of gathering with real people in real time and eating food with them, even to the point of offending the literalists of his day by eating with outcasts.

Do you believe that Jesus was real, and that he actually ate food?
Or is Jesus an idea, or just a character in book…

 

[hope]

I have been wondering this also especially since he posted

Thanks so much for the offer… I have over 12 years of research on this, so I’m betting I already have it… but I do appreciate that…!

 

[4Him]

the earliest Christians understood the Eucharist to be the literal body and blood of Jesus. How could one be accused of being a figurative cannibal?

You are correct that under the old covenant the drinking of animal blood is forbidden. To do so is to consume “life” that is merely natural and of a lower order than human life. Jesus’ injunction does not fall under these prohibitions. The “life” he imparts is not natural but supernatural; it does not pull us down to the level of animals; it elevates is to become sharers in his divine nature(2 Peter 1:4)(CCC 1391)

You make some great points, but I do not agree the earliest Christians understood the Eucharist was the literal body… Here’s just another passage that supports that:

Following the ascension and walk on the road to Emmaus, Jesus is with his diciples:

Luke 24: 30-32 - "When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”

This is just one of many passages, where “bread is broken” for a meal, after the crucifixion and ascension, and Jesus Himself doesn’t imply, suggest, or hint at, that His physical body is inside the bread…

 

[4Him]

Why do you think that it was so abhorrent to those who were listening to Him. You do know that the early Christians were accused of cannibalism because of the Eucharist?
Show me one place where He uses Amen or Verily that it was ever figuratively. Any time He used it, it was l am telling you the truth. In fact, that is what it means I am telling you the truth. You are not just disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with Jesus.

Thanks for your thoughts, but I respectfully disagree, based on many elements, one being Jesus’s use of metaphors throughout the NT. You may also want to take a closer look at the passage I recently shared, Luke 24: 30-32.

 

[goout]

I’ve never seen this passage so thoroughly reduced of meaning.
“They recognized HIM…in the breaking of the bread”. (which verse you omitted)
This recognition is after Scripture is revealed.

Jesus himself is revealed in the breaking of the bread, as he did prior. “This is…my body”.
That’s how they know Christ, and that’s how we know him in the fullest manner.

 

[goout]

But you will appeal to your own authority, and in your own authority you find your faith.
You will pick and choose which words to take as binding and which to discard or “metaphorize.”

 

[4Him]

1 Peter 3:21 says baptism saves.
This prefigured baptism, which saves you now. It is not a removal of dirt from the body but an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ…

Water baptism symbolizes the believer’s total trust in and total reliance on the Lord Jesus Christ, as well as a commitment to live obediently to Him. In short, it’s symbolic. It also expresses unity with all the saints Ephesians 2:19, that is, with every person in every nation on earth who is a member of the Body of Christ Galatians 3:27–28. Water baptism conveys this and more, but it is not what saves us. Instead, we are saved by grace through faith, apart from works Ephesians 2:8–9. We are baptized because our Lord commanded it: “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit”.

We must be attentive to the “least of these”. If we don’t we could lose our salvation. Matthew 25:31-46

Help me understand why you think we can lose our salvation in Mathew 25: 31- 46?

 

[hope]

From Strong’s
2098

2098 euaggelion {yoo-ang-ghel’-ee-on} from the same as 2097; TDNT - 2:721,267; n n 1) a reward for good tidings 2) good tidings 2a) the glad tidings of the kingdom of God soon to be set up, and subsequently also of Jesus the Messiah, the founder of this kingdom. After the death of Christ, the term comprises also the preaching of (concerning) Jesus Christ as having suffered death on the cross to procure eternal salvation for the men in the kingdom of God, but as restored to life and exalted to the right hand of God in heaven, thence to return in majesty to consummate the kingdom of God 2b) the glad tidings of salvation through Christ 2c) the proclamation of the grace of God manifest and pledged in Christ 2d) the gospel 2e) as the messianic rank of Jesus was proved by his words, his deeds, and his death, the narrative of the sayings, deeds, and death of Jesus Christ came to be called the gospel or glad tidings

Since Paul wrote this before the Gospels were written, it does not refer to the written Gospels (they didn’t exist yet) Gospel means “Good New”