What is the point of the Marian apparations?

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I apologize if this doesn’t belong here…I apologize if this doesn’t make any sense

We hear or even read about Our Lady of Guadalupe, Our Lady of Lourdes, Our Lady of Fatima, etc. but what is the point of the Blessed Virgin Mary appearing to people?

Do we “need” these Marian apparations in order to know our Blessed Mother existed and still exists?

Would we still believe in Mary if she did not appear to St. Juan Diego, St. Bernadette, the 3 children in Fatima?

I love hearing, reading, and discovering about approved Marian apparations I have to admit I have a really difficult time understanding the Miracle of the Sun. :confused:

However, even if Mary did not appear to these wonderful Saints I still trust my Heavenly Queen and Mother.

Sorry for these questions and for being such an ignorant Catholic fool

God bless,
goforgoal
 
If you read some of the history that surrounds these apparitions you usually find that the faith of the people of those countries was waning or the faith was under attack or needed encouragement. Mary appears to draw people back to Jesus and the Sacraments of the Church. It has little to do with belief in Mary, as such, and much more to do with reawakening people to God, our duty to him and all he wishes to give to us.
 
If you read some of the history that surrounds these apparitions you usually find that the faith of the people of those countries was waning or the faith was under attack or needed encouragement. Mary appears to draw people back to Jesus and the Sacraments of the Church. It has little to do with belief in Mary, as such, and much more to do with reawakening people to God, our duty to him and all he wishes to give to us.
Della put this very well.

The Blessed Mother appears on earth at times to help her children. But if you notice, in every approved apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary she never seeks to promote herself. She promotes her Son, she promotes the frequenting of the Sacraments, and a return to the faith. Even though apparitions usually create a greater devotion to Mary, they never do so to the exclusion or hinderance of her Son. Mary always leads us to Christ. We are very lucky to have such a kind and devoted Mother watching out for us.

Also, the devotion that the Church has to Mary is not the result of these various apparitions. The Marian dogmas were proclaimed separate from any private revelations or apparitions. From the earliest times the Church has honored and venerated the Blessed Mother, the dogmas that were later proclaimed were only a public confirmation of much more ancient beliefs. They were meant to make clear to the faithful the Church’s teachings regarding Mary and to ensure that we do not abandon our Mother like many other Christians sadly have.
 
Read on the “Legion of Mary” or the “Blue Army”.

The work accomplished outside the church by these faithfull followers is amazing.

The apparitions instruct, warn, and lead the Mystical Body of Jesus Christ.

When you realize the basis of these organizations are Saints like St Louis de Montfort, or Saint Padre Pio. They serve Gods will, and monetary gain is never the goal. Much to the contrary. Pope Benedict summed it up very well when he stated the Church works both from the inside as well as from the outside.
 
I grew up in a family that didn’t go to church or know God. I often heard family members say that if God were real, why doesn’t he do stuff like parting of the sea in the 10 Commandments? Where did He go after that? It’s all stories, make belief. (My only catechism was Christmas carols at Christmas time. How I wish they would be played now instead of Santa Claus and Rudolf!)

One day a Catholic loaned me his book on Fatima. The miracle of the sun, told by the children before the event, was as good as the Red Sea parting long ago. Better even. It changed my life. I saw in that book that God did and does exist, He exists today, and He wants me to be close to him. What Good News!
 
Thank you and God bless all of you for the explanations.

My question also comes from many people who claim to see Mary appearing on window panes and so forth. Sadly, I know someone close to me who will show photos and so forth of what appears to be “Mary” and if someone doesn’t see “Mary” than this person will say that they are “evil” <–I for one, disagree I don’t need an apparations or visions of Mary, Jesus, Saints, etc. to know they exist, they are real, and to believe in them. I know in my Heart of Hearts they do.

However, I have had dreams about Our Blessed Mother or related to her

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Della and jtodisco- Yes, I do know and realize that but If there was no such thing as Marian apparations would we still believe that Mary wants/needs to draw people back to Jesus and the Sacraments of the Church?

GaryTaylor- “Legion of Mary” or the “Blue Army” are these books?

PennyinCanada- I’m not saying I don’t believe the “Miracle of the Sun” I’m just trying to understand the “Miracle of the Sun” I mean wouldn’t the whole world see the sun dancing, “falling” to earth, etc.? Sorry, I guess I would have to read more about the “Miracle of the Sun” to understand better.

Our Lady, Our Queen, Our Mother pray for us. Amen.

Our Lord Jesus, hear our Prayers. Amen.
 
Thank you and God bless all of you for the explanations.

My question also comes from many people who claim to see Mary appearing on window panes and so forth. Sadly, I know someone close to me who will show photos and so forth of what appears to be “Mary” and if someone doesn’t see “Mary” than this person will say that they are “evil” <–I for one, disagree I don’t need an apparations or visions of Mary, Jesus, Saints, etc. to know they exist, they are real, and to believe in them. I know in my Heart of Hearts they do.
If you know how apparitions are approved by the local bishop, then you know that just anyone making claims about Mary appearing on a window, etc. means nothing. The bishop makes one of two rulings about apparitions/messages that he has had investigated: 1) that nothing spiritual happened or 2) that it is approved as “worthy of belief” by the faithful in his diocese. The criteria for approval is very strict. A an excellent book on the topic is Fr. Benedict Groeschel’s “A Still Small Voice”.
However, I have had dreams about Our Blessed Mother or related to her
And while they may be personally enriching for you, if you were to try to encourage others to believe that Mary is speaking to you for the benefit of the faithful, your bishop would then step in to investigate. That’s his “job”. I would also ask you your own question about why there are Marian apparitions. Why do you have dreams about Mary if you don’t need them? There could be several reasons. If they persist you should, if you haven’t, seek the guidance of a spiritual director.
Della and jtodisco- Yes, I do know and realize that but If there was no such thing as Marian apparations would we still believe that Mary wants/needs to draw people back to Jesus and the Sacraments of the Church?
You’d have to ask God that question, for only God knows the answer. He decides to allow some people to have visions/locutions/messages, etc. and leaves it in the hands of his bishops to decide if it should be known to the faithful.
GaryTaylor- “Legion of Mary” or the “Blue Army” are these books?
They are approved lay apostolates that encourage devotion to Mary and faithfulness to the Church.
PennyinCanada- I’m not saying I don’t believe the “Miracle of the Sun” I’m just trying to understand the “Miracle of the Sun” I mean wouldn’t the whole world see the sun dancing, “falling” to earth, etc.? Sorry, I guess I would have to read more about the “Miracle of the Sun” to understand better.
Not necessarily. No one is claiming that the physical sun moved. What is claimed is that it appeared to move–a phenomena witnessed by thousands of people, some far away from the area in which it took place. This was documented in the newspapers of the day.
Our Lady, Our Queen, Our Mother pray for us. Amen.
Our Lord Jesus, hear our Prayers. Amen.
Amen. 👍
 
I apologize if this doesn’t belong here…I apologize if this doesn’t make any sense

We hear or even read about Our Lady of Guadalupe, Our Lady of Lourdes, Our Lady of Fatima, etc. but what is the point of the Blessed Virgin Mary appearing to people?

Do we “need” these Marian apparations in order to know our Blessed Mother existed and still exists?

Would we still believe in Mary if she did not appear to St. Juan Diego, St. Bernadette, the 3 children in Fatima?

I love hearing, reading, and discovering about approved Marian apparations I have to admit I have a really difficult time understanding the Miracle of the Sun. :confused:

However, even if Mary did not appear to these wonderful Saints I still trust my Heavenly Queen and Mother.

Sorry for these questions and for being such an ignorant Catholic fool

God bless,
goforgoal
These apparitions are private revelation and Catholics are not under any obligation to accept them. So to answer your question as to whether we would still believe in our Lady if she didn’t appear from time-to-time, the answer is yes, we would still believe in her.

The purposes of her appearances are to give messages to the world. The Lord has entrusted us to her maternal care and she is doing her job. When she has a message to give, she appears and gives it. It’s usually something to the effect “Straighten up and fly right! - You’re making a mess of things and the Father is not happy! Pray, pray, pray!”
 
I read that if you take all the reported appearances that were investigated by the Catholic Church, the average is that Mary has visited once every 50 yrs on average, Medjugore being the sole exception - if it proves true.

And Her message has been consistant, “…return to My SON…listen to HIM…trust in HIM…pray to HIM…believe in HIM…”

All of this is meeting at the apex which is Co-Medatrix and Co-Redemptrix - which is a new potential dogma, which may declare that Mary cooperates with GOD in such a way to save souls and evangelize, that while She is not part of the TRINITY, She is still a “Co-redemtrix” working through Her SON to save souls.

That is the reason why Mary has visited so many times with so many messages of Love, salvation and hope all directed to Her SON - as well as images of hell to ensure we understand that hell is real, does exist and is the alternative to following Her SON.
 
Once again thank you very much for taking the time to answer all of my questions and concerns. Thank you especially for being patient with me.

Like I stated before I had dreams of what I think to be Our Blessed Mother but than again I could be wrong. In my dreams Mary basically tells me to Pray.

I’m not claiming that I have had visions/locutions/messages, etc. either.

I never thought about revealing or discussing my dreams to the Bishop thanks and God bless you for the idea.

Six years ago, my family and I attended a Marian Shrine we went for The Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary the Bishop at the time (still a Bishop but retired) explained to us how Mary would be pleased and grateful for remembering her on her Birthday but really Mary wants us to go to her Son, to remember Him, to Pray to Him.

Our Lady, Our Queen, Our Mother pray for us. Amen.

Our Lord Jesus, hear our Prayers. Amen.

God bless,
goforgoal
 
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Do we “need” these Marian apparations in order to know our Blessed Mother existed and still exists?

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God bless,
goforgoal
never apologize for an honest question, that is why this is called a forum

no we do not “need” Marian apparitions
yes it is a favor she grants to certain individuals in certain times and places because she has a particular message for those individuals who are usually asked to convey it to the people of their own time and place. The message is universally a call to conversion, turning away from sin and toward devotion and obedience to her Son and always has a universal application to the whole Church in every time and age, but the specifics of time and place and recipients contain a relevance to that time and place and those people.

If you want more information I believe the university of dayton website is referenced above in the stickies campus.udayton.edu/mary/

however everything you need to know about Mary is contained in revealed doctrine of the Church, and the defined doctrines about Mary are defined in order to convey the entire truth about her Son, that he is God incarnate, true God and true man, so if you study and accept the doctrine about Jesus Christ you accept the doctrine about Mary. Approved apparitions are still private revelation, do not contradict revealed doctrine, and are not required of belief or devotion by the faithful and you can have a complete, healthy devotion to Mary as our mother based entirely on what we know from Scripture without any recourse at all to any private revelation.
 
I apologize if this doesn’t belong here…I apologize if this doesn’t make any sense

We hear or even read about Our Lady of Guadalupe, Our Lady of Lourdes, Our Lady of Fatima, etc. but what is the point of the Blessed Virgin Mary appearing to people?

Do we “need” these Marian apparations in order to know our Blessed Mother existed and still exists?

Would we still believe in Mary if she did not appear to St. Juan Diego, St. Bernadette, the 3 children in Fatima?

I love hearing, reading, and discovering about approved Marian apparations I have to admit I have a really difficult time understanding the Miracle of the Sun. :confused:

However, even if Mary did not appear to these wonderful Saints I still trust my Heavenly Queen and Mother.

Sorry for these questions and for being such an ignorant Catholic fool

God bless,
goforgoal
First of all, I suspect she’s simply the “Portent in heaven” as outlined in the beginning of Revelation 12. Fatima in particular involved a miracle of the sun (“a woman clothed with the sun”).

Secondly I believe she’s being sent with warnings, which have gotten progressively more severe. Fatima promised a second, “worse war” - Akita promises the worst judgment since the “Deluge”, where the living will envy the dead.

Thirdly they’re a judgement on a divided church. A lot of Protestant churches actually call her apparitions a "heresy’, whereas in fact they’re simply a fulfilment of Revelation 12 as noted. If they’re too stubborn and stupid to recognise the truth when it’s staring them in the face, that’s their problem.

Fourthly she’s been appearing in Moslem countries also, which indicates to me she wants them to turn to her Son.

Fifth, she has a very powerful intercession with God, such that He will not even allow the devil to blaspheme her during exorcisms for example.

So I suppose there’s a number of reasons, of which the warnings are paramount.
 
God bless you and thank you for answering my questions.

I know I ask A LOT of silly and ignorant questions on here not just on this thread but on CAF. As a person who was raised Catholic all her life–I should know or at least I should know better. Sometimes, I admit I have a difficult time understanding the Catholic Church but when in doubt I pray that the Lord will help me–help me to increase my faith. Hope that makes sense. 😊

I know I saw an article on CAF about “The Miracle of the Sun” but I’m not too sure if it’s still available.

God bless,
goforgoal
 
God bless you and thank you for answering my questions.

I know I ask A LOT of silly and ignorant questions on here not just on this thread but on CAF. As a person who was raised Catholic all her life–I should know or at least I should know better. Sometimes, I admit I have a difficult time understanding the Catholic Church but when in doubt I pray that the Lord will help me–help me to increase my faith. Hope that makes sense. 😊

I know I saw an article on CAF about “The Miracle of the Sun” but I’m not too sure if it’s still available.

God bless,
goforgoal
As a Protestant who became Catholic, Marianism was one area where I knew next to nothing. I’d heard vaguely of Fatima, Lourdes etc, but they meant very little to me, being relegated to the peculiar beliefs of the church on the other side of the street.

Even when I did become Catholic I wasn’t very interested at first, as I had enough to unlearn and relearn as it was, although I still retain my Protestant past in some of my thinking.

However I happened pick up a second hand book by Michael Brown, the Catholic journalist, on Mary (I forgot the title - it had to do with last day’s stuff - it even contains a photograph of a French nuclear test in 1969, and in the mushrooming flames appears a very good likeness of Christ on the cross, with Mary off to one side), and that woke me up somewhat to the warnings she was giving. Then I picked up another second hand book by Bishop Sheen (“The World’s First Love”) and that deepened my knowledge of Marian events, particularly his essays on “Mary and the Moslems” and “The Assumption and the Modern World”.

I suppose that since my father appeared in my room in 1979 when he died, and just before he disappeared again exited with one almighty, terrifying scream, I’m more aware of judgement than most. He was terrified to his core. Hence when I read stuff like the Akita warnings, I tend to be a bit more concerned than most.

On the other hand, my former Protestant scepticism and Australian BS radar makes me a bit wary of non-approved apparitions, so I stick only to the approved apparitions.

That’s how my interest in Marian apparitions came about.
 
Now that I’ve gotten home, the book by Michael H. Brown was “The Final Hour” and it’s heavily based on Marian apparitions.

Which makes a change from Protestant “Last Days” stuff.

It’s probably about the only book I’ve read from cover to cover on the “last days” topic. Even as a Protestant, while I am convinced that there’s a judgement pending, I didn’t find the (mainly American) protestant last days theology very convincing.

And I was never very anti-Catholic, so I used to find the business of the Pope being the anti-Christ somewhat silly. I’m not a Stalin admirer, but like him I’d ask “How many divisions has the Pope got?” If there’s one thing the anti-Christ is going to need, it’s military power.
 
As a Protestant who became Catholic, Marianism was one area where I knew next to nothing. I’d heard vaguely of Fatima, Lourdes etc, but they meant very little to me, being relegated to the peculiar beliefs of the church on the other side of the street.

Even when I did become Catholic I wasn’t very interested at first, as I had enough to unlearn and relearn as it was, although I still retain my Protestant past in some of my thinking.

However I happened pick up a second hand book by Michael Brown, the Catholic journalist, on Mary (I forgot the title - it had to do with last day’s stuff - it even contains a photograph of a French nuclear test in 1969, and in the mushrooming flames appears a very good likeness of Christ on the cross, with Mary off to one side), and that woke me up somewhat to the warnings she was giving. Then I picked up another second hand book by Bishop Sheen (“The World’s First Love”) and that deepened my knowledge of Marian events, particularly his essays on “Mary and the Moslems” and “The Assumption and the Modern World”.

I suppose that since my father appeared in my room in 1979 when he died, and just before he disappeared again exited with one almighty, terrifying scream, I’m more aware of judgement than most. He was terrified to his core. Hence when I read stuff like the Akita warnings, I tend to be a bit more concerned than most.

On the other hand, my former Protestant scepticism and Australian BS radar makes me a bit wary of non-approved apparitions, so I stick only to the approved apparitions.

That’s how my interest in Marian apparitions came about.
Mary and Marian teachings were a big stumbling block for me, as well. My conversion story (actually, it’s reconciliation for baptized Christians, but I digress) is here: Up from Pentecostalism. I was attracted to the Church largely because of Lourdes, as I talk about in the article. It stirred some latent understanding of the need for holiness within my heart. I truly believe that along with warnings and pleadings for us to return to penance, etc., Our Lady is sent to attract those to the Church that might not come to it in other ways, such as persuasion. Just my own experience. 🙂

I’ve read your account of your father’s appearance before and having mulled over it I just wanted to give you a word of encouragement about it. His scream, if it was actually him and not a deception (we all know that the devil loves to deceive) was most likely meant to do more than tell you judgment is real, but to prompt you (and us through your relating the story) to pray for the repose of his soul. We cannot know the state of his soul from a vision alone. I don’t doubt you have and are praying for him, but I just wanted to share that with you. I recommend to you as I did to the OP Fr. Benedict Groeschel’s book, “A Still Small Voice” on the topic of visions, locutions, messages. It’s quite readable, informative, and insightful.
 
Mary and Marian teachings were a big stumbling block for me, as well. My conversion story (actually, it’s reconciliation for baptized Christians, but I digress) is here: Up from Pentecostalism. I was attracted to the Church largely because of Lourdes, as I talk about in the article. It stirred some latent understanding of the need for holiness within my heart. I truly believe that along with warnings and pleadings for us to return to penance, etc., Our Lady is sent to attract those to the Church that might not come to it in other ways, such as persuasion. Just my own experience. 🙂

I’ve read your account of your father’s appearance before and having mulled over it I just wanted to give you a word of encouragement about it. His scream, if it was actually him and not a deception (we all know that the devil loves to deceive) was most likely meant to do more than tell you judgment is real, but to prompt you (and us through your relating the story) to pray for the repose of his soul. We cannot know the state of his soul from a vision alone. I don’t doubt you have and are praying for him, but I just wanted to share that with you. I recommend to you as I did to the OP Fr. Benedict Groeschel’s book, “A Still Small Voice” on the topic of visions, locutions, messages. It’s quite readable, informative, and insightful.
I read your testimony. Mine wasn’t so dramatic, as I’d been feeling a sort of spiritual push towards the Catholic Church for a while. I resisted it for some time, but when I had an argument with a pastor, that was the last straw. Push became shove.

When I initially became a Christian, And I had the good fortune to have a wise prophetic pastor who in his own words found he “generally got on well with Catholics”. So I had no hardline teaching to turn me away from the Catholic Church, which was not the case with you.

As far as my father goes, I think he’s in Hell. About five years before he died, I had a vision where someone said, “I’ve had enough of him! He’s doomed! And he’s only got about five years left to live! You’ll tell him too, but it would have been better if you hadn’t as he’ll get worse.” Sure enough a couple of days later we had one of our eternal arguments, when I snapped after putting up with more of his vindictive cruelty, and said what had passed in the vision.

To my surprise he broke down. Then he recovered, and snarled, “I’ll make sure I take you with me!” That was his typical fatherly love in action. Now that would have been a few months before I moved to Perth in late 1974. He died in 1979.

With all due respect you didn’t see the scream, or the obvious fact he was absolutely and utterly terrified of something coming at him, which I could not see. I do think it was a warning to me also, as I was an atheist at the time and not living a particularly good life.

As for your dream -
I saw a Man dressed in ragged clothes and looking like a poor Bedouin. He was crawling painfully on his stomach, unable to rise up. As I got closer I saw he must have been attacked by an angry mob and left to die. He looked so ghastly I was repelled at the sight of him, but I approached anyway and knelt beside him. He looked up at me with such compassion I knew he had been beaten for love of me. We gazed into each others eyes with love. Then, as happens in dreams, I began to doubt who he must be and said something to challenge him. He replied, as if using a countersign: “As Mary is our mother.”
  • when I was doing RCIA, the assistant priest did a couple of sessions. In one of them he used an OHP of a cartoon. I think the cartoonist’s name was Cobb, but it was a long time ago.
In the cartoon there were 3 Jesus’s. The one on the left was the Protestant Christ - triumphant, halo, shiny, face scrubbed, hair brylcreemed. The one on the right was the Catholic Christ - beaten, tatty, clothes needing a clean, unkempt beard, teeth missing.

The one in the middle was this pensive, uncertain, wishy washy character with the caption, “Will the real Jesus please stand up?”

Your dream reminded me of the cartoon.
 
I read your testimony. Mine wasn’t so dramatic, as I’d been feeling a sort of spiritual push towards the Catholic Church for a while. I resisted it for some time, but when I had an argument with a pastor, that was the last straw. Push became shove.

When I initially became a Christian, And I had the good fortune to have a wise prophetic pastor who in his own words found he “generally got on well with Catholics”. So I had no hardline teaching to turn me away from the Catholic Church, which was not the case with you.
It all depends on the kind of teaching we received about the Church as Protestants, doesn’t it? In my case it was quite toxic, unfortunately. I’m glad you didn’t have that experience. 🙂
As far as my father goes, I think he’s in Hell. About five years before he died, I had a vision where someone said, “I’ve had enough of him! He’s doomed! And he’s only got about five years left to live! You’ll tell him too, but it would have been better if you hadn’t as he’ll get worse.” Sure enough a couple of days later we had one of our eternal arguments, when I snapped after putting up with more of his vindictive cruelty, and said what had passed in the vision.
To my surprise he broke down. Then he recovered, and snarled, “I’ll make sure I take you with me!” That was his typical fatherly love in action. Now that would have been a few months before I moved to Perth in late 1974. He died in 1979.
With all due respect you didn’t see the scream, or the obvious fact he was absolutely and utterly terrified of something coming at him, which I could not see. I do think it was a warning to me also, as I was an atheist at the time and not living a particularly good life.
I wasn’t questioning the validity of your dream or of your father’s life choices (I’m sorry if I gave that impression) rather I was merely trying to say that while dreams can be useful they aren’t on the level of doctrine/dogma. Your dream helped you discern your need for God to escape your father’s fate (for none of us is deserving of heaven, are we?) Still, we really can’t say that your father is absolutely in hell based on a dream no matter how real and intense it was. We won’t know until the Judgment who will and who won’t be in heaven. He may be in hell, poor man. I pray not, even with the evidence of your dream for we cannot know anyone’s fate for certain in this life, not even people like Hitler. It’s why the Church has no list of the damned but only of Saints. 🙂
As for your dream -
  • when I was doing RCIA, the assistant priest did a couple of sessions. In one of them he used an OHP of a cartoon. I think the cartoonist’s name was Cobb, but it was a long time ago.
In the cartoon there were 3 Jesus’s. The one on the left was the Protestant Christ - triumphant, halo, shiny, face scrubbed, hair brylcreemed. The one on the right was the Catholic Christ - beaten, tatty, clothes needing a clean, unkempt beard, teeth missing.
The one in the middle was this pensive, uncertain, wishy washy character with the caption, “Will the real Jesus please stand up?”
Your dream reminded me of the cartoon.
Yes, that’s how I thought of Jesus before having that dream–all clean and polished and completely understandable, IOW, a Jesus I could bend to my understanding and who would do what I wanted. The Jesus of my dream was a total surprise and a blow to my religious conceit. It made the words of St. Paul come to life: “We preach Christ and him crucified”, as well as Jesus words: “You must take up your cross daily and follow me.”
 
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I wasn’t questioning the validity of your dream or of your father’s life choices (I’m sorry if I gave that impression) rather I was merely trying to say that while dreams can be useful they aren’t on the level of doctrine/dogma. Your dream helped you discern your need for God to escape your father’s fate (for none of us is deserving of heaven, are we?) Still, we really can’t say that your father is absolutely in hell based on a dream no matter how real and intense it was. We won’t know until the Judgment who will and who won’t be in heaven. He may be in hell, poor man. I pray not, even with the evidence of your dream for we cannot know anyone’s fate for certain in this life, not even people like Hitler. It’s why the Church has no list of the damned but only of Saints. 🙂
While we’re not supposed to assume anyone is in hell, I think we’re on pretty safe ground with Hitler. When Rudolf Hess died in (Spandau?) prison some years ago, the local cartoonist for *The Courier Mail *(our main daily) showed Hess and Hitler meeting each other in hell, as was obvious by the flames leaping around and Hitler still in jackboots. Hitler is saying, “Well, Hess!”, while Hess is saying, "Heil, Hitler?’. As far as I know, Hess was unrepentant to the very end, despite the years in prison.

For some unknown reason the fact they were both displayed as being in hell seemed to leap out at me, even though it was just a cartoon. I think I can claim some spiritual sensitivity.

My father’s visit wasn’t a dream. It may have been an apparition, but it was far too direct for a dream. I even remember the look of surprise on his face when I first saw him. With hindsight, I think he was surprised to find himself in my room so fast. I suspect he’d just been told to apologise, or asked to apologise, when he found himself in my room. And he didn’t know where I lived. He also materialised near the door, and I could look both at him and through him, depending on how I focussed. i still remember seeing the long saggy bookcase behind him, which I could also see if I focussed through him.

Even the fact he materialised near the door was probably for my benefit. A person can materialise anywhere, but for some reason he did so near the door. When someone comes into a room, they do so via the door (as a rule). It was startling enough having him appear in the room at all, so I suppose I was given a bit of psychological “protection” by the fact the whole thing started by the bedroom doorway. Moreover it happened the night he died. And I didn’t know he’d died.

There have also been a couple of anecdotes related to cab driving that I’ll repeat here, even though I’ve mentioned them a couple of times on other posts.

**First Anecdote - **One night I was driving the cab in Nundah, and I was in
Rivington Street where he died. So I prayed I might get some sort of
“sign” regarding the apparition the night he died. I got this sense I
ought to know better, but I just kept going. Later that night I went back to the Queen
Street rank, and waited for another fare. Eventually a bloke came
wandering along, a bit the worse for wear, hopped in, and said “Nundah”.
I asked whereabouts in Nundah.

He replied, “Just drive and I’ll tell you where to go”. Off we went and
ended up at Rivington Street, Nundah, driectly across the road from the unit where my father died. I even said to the passenger that’s where he died, but I think it spooked him a bit.

Same night I asked for a “Sign”.

**Second anecdote - **About four years ago I was arguing with atheists on a
Google Groups site, on the specific topic of NDE’s (Near Death
Experiences). As usual I was getting nowhere.

Anyway I prayed to meet someone who’d had an NDE. About two or three
days later I was sitting in the Maxi Taxi at Boondall, in Roghan Road I
think. A job came up on the screen with “Brighton … M” on it, which
meant a Maxi was required somewhere in Brighton. I procrastinated as
there are usually plenty of cabs in Sandgate / Brighton, as I assumed
someone else would get it. Also it was a few kilometres to Brighton.

But when it stayed there, I put in for it and got it. It was for
Eventide (state government nursing home). When I got there, I found a single bloke about my age, not in
good health. He hadn’t wanted a Maxi, just an ordinary cab, and had
just about been ready to give up when I arrived.

He wanted to go to Brisbane General Hospital, so away we went. But we’d
only been going a couple of minutes when he said “I’m one of those rare
people”. I asked him what he meant. He replied that he’d been
technically dead for ten minutes following a stomach operation.

Since we were driving to the RBH, we had plenty of time to talk. He was
a Christian (Anglican) and remembered that he could hear everything,
despite being “dead”. eg. “He’s gone. Well, we’d better go and tell the
Registrar”. But then his body shook and someone cried out, “His body
just shook! We’d better try again!” He came to, although he remembered
the usual white light, and a sense of being told to go back.

He’d had a hard life with an alcoholic father, poor health and a
rebellious family of his own. I think his name was Wayne Carter if I
remember rightly.

But what got me was that he went to the same high school in the same
year as the oldest son of the same uncle who turned up to tell me my
father died.

So not only did I get my NDE client, but even he had a sort of familial
reference to my own father’s death.

I may even have prayed for some sort of connection, but since I’m not
sure (can’t remember), I can’t claim that much. But put these two
incidents together, and there’s more than coincidence at work.
 
I can relate to your experiences, Bob. I’ve had a few of that kind too, especially when I was first exploring Catholicism and later as a candidate in RCIA. It seems that God often gives such encounters/signs to those who are seeking, newly awakened to faith or are experiencing a renewal of faith. They’re valid, but not to be completely relied upon, is all I’m saying. It’s why, when someone claims visions that go beyond their own lives to impact the lives of others, such as at Lourdes, Fatima, etc., the bishop steps in to investigate and make a decision for the faithful.

An example, there was a gal at my parish claiming to receive daily messages from Mary. This gal came to be referred to as “Little Mary” (I’m not sure why–I was never one of her followers). Anyway, it became something of a phenomena in our parish, with our pastor supporting it. Our bishop investigated and decided nothing spiritual was happening and banned her group from meeting at the parish. They moved to a secular site and the whole thing died out in time.

A thought for you–if you don’t have a spiritual director, you may want to look into getting one. Ask your senior pastor about recommending someone or inquire at your diocesan office. A director can help you interpret the things you are experiencing in your spiritual life better than anyone on a forum.
 
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