What is the problem with contraception?

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I haven’t read this whole thread, so I hope I’m not repeating.

A common euphemism for sex is “intimacy.”
A common euphemism for birth control (especially barriers) is “protection.”
I don’t see a logical way that I can be intimate with someone when I’m protecting myself from them.
 
I haven’t read this whole thread, so I hope I’m not repeating.

A common euphemism for sex is “intimacy.”
A common euphemism for birth control (especially barriers) is “protection.”
I don’t see a logical way that I can be intimate with someone when I’m protecting myself from them.
Not from “them”. Intimacy has nothing to do with procreation.
 
I am aware of the theological arguments against contraception, and I am not interested in arguing against those. Are there any fully secular (rational) arguments against it? There are 100% effective methods of avoiding pregnancy while having wonderful, unitive sex. What kind of argument can you bring up against the “perfect contraceptive methods”? (An example of a secular argument against masturbation would be: “it will cause blindness”, or it will cause “hair grow on your palms”… the only problem with these arguments, that they are not true.)
An important thing to be acknowledged from anthropological evidence is that people of past times, even up to within the last century…identified far more greatly as part of a group. A family, a tribe, a species – humanity. Personal fulfilment was invested in something bigger than their individual feats, pleasures or self pride.

Our society to the contrary, puts huge value on individual achievement and personal pleasure as the measure of a successful life of purpose. Fertility is no longer valued as a sacred gift to humanity. Where we worshipped gods of fertility, observed important fertility rituals and made phallic and sexual symbols out of respect for the basic life giving principles of creativity… now we treat fertility as a disease to be prevented, out of deference to the individuals self interest.

You might say there is a connect between societies attitude towards human fertility and its growing attitude towards nutritian. Food has grown to be more about instant gratification and pleasure than about nutrition. So much is modified, manipulated and contrived to a point where many trusting ignorant people, especially in western society, have diets that are devoid of all nutritional value. They eat what tastes good and satisfies and gratifies, but end up fat, diabetic, diseased and prematurely deceased.

Sex that promotes personal gratification with no foresight into what deliberately divesting it of its basic life force means, may well see us spiritually fat, diabetic, diseased and prematurely spiritually dead???

It never ends well to steal personal gratification this way.
 
Your curiosity should be satisfied by now. Whether “against a “clear and clean” contrception, which has no side effects” is true or not, these are not the basis for the immorality of contraception. It is irrelevant.
Can you explain this a bit further?
 
Can you explain this a bit further?
The physical effects of contraception are not the basis for it immorality. It is in its innate nature of rupturing the bond between the unifying and procreative aspecta of the marital act that declare it immoral.
 
The physical effects of contraception are not the basis for it immorality.
I think I can agree with you (and Tyrion) - up to a point - but with some clarifications.

Human contraception is the deliberate (“artificial”) frustration of a natural process whose “end” is the bringing forth of new “persons”.

Note that, according to Church teaching, it is only human contraception which is immoral.

To “contracept” non-human animals is not immoral because their “natural process” of reproduction does not result in “persons”.

So I agree that it is not just a matter of “biology”.

But there is nonetheless a physiological dimension.

This link between “nature” and “person” is itself a philosophical “conundrum”. How can “person” come from what seems to be an entirely “impersonal” process? But that is an issue for another thread.
 
It is in its innate nature of rupturing the bond between the unifying and procreative aspecta of the marital act that declare it immoral.
Again, I agree with you but this needs more unpacking.

Tyrion has asked us to substantiate why even one act of contraception (with no medically adverse consequences) is intrinsically wrong.

“Intrinsically wrong” puts artificial contraception in the same moral category as direct abortion, stealing, rape, murder, etc. One can always argue whether there are degrees of “wrongness” but this doesn’t change the characterization (“intrinsically wrong”). Something that is intrinsically wrong can never be done under any circumstances.

JP II has cast the argument about destroying the “bond” between the unitive and procreative in terms of “lying”. The “body language” says one thing while the “act” says another.

We know that “lying” (properly defined) is “intrinsically wrong”. So even one act of “lying” is not permitted.

All of this needs to be “fleshed out” a bit more (no pun intended).
 
Again, I agree with you but this needs more unpacking.

JP II has cast the argument about destroying the “bond” between the unitive and procreative in terms of “lying”. The “body language” says one thing while the “act” says another.

We know that “lying” (properly defined) is “intrinsically wrong”. So even one act of “lying” is not permitted.
It takes a capacity to accept how important honesty (physical, intellectual, spiritual), is to the life of the soul, to value that perspective sadly.
 
I think I can agree with you (and Tyrion)
Of course, I don’t mean to imply that Tyrion thinks artificial contraception is immoral - only that he is correct when he says the Church teaches it is intrinsically wrong (regardless of “physical” effects).

But, I would add, in my opinion, effects (whether medical, demographic, sociological or otherwise) are not to be ignored or dismissed.

For example, each act of murder is intrinsically wrong. But the effects of widespread murder would nonetheless have a very negative impact on a entire country or even global society.
 
… even one act of contraception (with no medically adverse consequences) is intrinsically wrong.
To be more precise, according to Church teaching, it is “gravely wrong” - or, for a real mouthful, it is “gravely intrinsically wrong”.
 
Is there a logical contradiction in the concept of a perfect contraceptive method? Some hidden problem, which cannot be overcome with even a very advanced technology? This is the trick with hypothetical scenarios. As long as there is no logical contradiction involved, no matter how far-out the thought experiment might be, it needs an answer - ONLY because the church keeps making black-and-white assertions and commandments.
The concept of “perfect contraception” is logical, but not reasonable. Every type of contraception fails, with different rates. Some fail rarely, while some fail very frequently.

This is from the Guttmacher Institute’s “In the Know” web page, based on “typical” sexual behavior…

The percentage of U.S. women initiating use of a method who will become pregnant during their first year of use, by method.
Method / Perfect Use / Typical Use
Implant (Implanon) / 0.05 / 0.05
Vasectomy / 0.10 / 0.15
Tubal sterilization / 0.5 /0.5
IUD
Copper-T (ParaGard) / 0.6 / 0.8
Levonorgestrel-releasing (Mirena) / 0.2 / 0.2
Three-month injectable (Depo-Provera) / 0.2 / 6
Vaginal ring (NuvaRing) / 0.3 / 9
Patch (Ortho Evra) / 0.3 / 9
Pill (combined estrogen and progestin) / 0.3 / 9
Diaphragm / 6 /12
Male condom / 2 /18
Female condom / 5 / 21
Sponge
Women who have had a child / 20 / 24
Women who have never had a child / 9 / 12
Withdrawal / 4 / 22
Fertility awareness-based methods (NFP) / – / 24
Standard Days Method (calendar) (NFP) / 5 / –
TwoDay Method (post-ovulation) (NFP) / 4 /–
Ovulation method (NFP) / 3 /–
Symptothermal method (NFP) / 0.4 /–
Spermicides / 18 / 28
No method / 85 / 85

*Notes: The first year of use includes women who have used that method in the past. “Perfect use” denotes effectiveness among couples who use the method both consistently and correctly; “typical use” refers to effectiveness experienced among all couples who use the method (including inconsistent and incorrect use). Sources: references 14–16.
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It’s incorrect to think of “perfect contraception.” Like any activity of every day life, there are risks. When we get in the car, we don’t expect that we’ll get in an accident, but every year, tens of thousands of people die in car crashes.
I think it is about time to conclude that there is no rational argument against the concept of contraception. But if you or anyone else can come up with one, I am all ears.
How’s this argument? Behavioral economics.

Contraception is really about reinforcing a particular type of behavior, and the type of contraception you use (artificial or NFP) reflects the type of behavior you wish to pursue. Contraception changes the “opportunity cost” of engaging in sexual intercourse, relative to a position of chastity or marital continence.

Without artificial contraception, the opportunity cost of sexual intercourse are based on the desire to avoid two outcomes: (1) pregnancy and (2) contraction of sexually-transmitted infections (STIs). Artificial contraception reduces the likelihood that either of these two outcomes will occur as a result of having sex. As a result, the “opportunity cost” of sexual behavior is lower, relative to chastity or marital continence.

Artificial contraception and abortion together comprise a fairly effective way of insuring sexual behavior from unintended pregnancy or STI.

There is very clear evidence that artificial contraception and abortion are interchangeably used as insurance against unintended pregnancy and STI.

One good set of empirical studies evaluates the effect of abortion liberalization on gonorrhea infection rates. Here’s one example. It turns out, when abortion laws are liberalized, the rates of gonorrhea infection rise, because the “opportunity cost” of sex without contraception is lower.

Another good study evaluates the effect of parent-notification abortion laws on gonorrhea infection rates in young women. It turns out that when parent-notification laws go into effect, gonorrhea rates decline, because the “opportunity cost” of sex without contraction is higher. Having to tell mom or dad that you’re a pregnant teenager seems to be a spur for young people to reduce the frequency with which they have “risky” sex.

So, what is the rational argument against contraception? It’s behavioral.
If you wish to contemplate a perfectly realistic scenario, look at a slightly modified version of the “young couple”. Suppose that the protection is not absolutely foolproof, but the couple is willing to take the risk, and if there is a failure, they are willing to accept it, and keep the child. Their life (as they anticipated it) will have to be changed, and they are willing to do that, too. Is there are rational reason to condemn their practice? After all they do exactly the same as another couple who use the (UN)natural family planning. 😉
The problem here is that the plural of “anecdote” is not “data.” Actually, if you look at abortion rates from the Centers for Disease Control an Prevention, the odds that a teenage pregnancy ends in abortion is very high. Among teenagers less than 15 years old, the ratio of abortions to live births is roughly 1:1. Among teenagers 15-19 years old, the ratio of abortions to live births is roughly 1:4. Among women 20-29 years old, the ratio is roughly 1:4.5.

I would applaud your hypothetical couple, but the *behavioral *evidence is that people who want to live another lifestyle very often will seek an abortion. Again, there are empirical studies here…
 
The concept of “perfect contraception” is logical, but not reasonable. Every type of contraception fails, with different rates. Some fail rarely, while some fail very frequently …
Very nice posting. I’ve put in my permanent file.
 
Again, I agree with you but this needs more unpacking.

Tyrion has asked us to substantiate why even one act of contraception (with no medically adverse consequences) is intrinsically wrong.

“Intrinsically wrong” puts artificial contraception in the same moral category as direct abortion, stealing, rape, murder, etc. One can always argue whether there are degrees of “wrongness” but this doesn’t change the characterization (“intrinsically wrong”). Something that is intrinsically wrong can never be done under any circumstances.

JP II has cast the argument about destroying the “bond” between the unitive and procreative in terms of “lying”. The “body language” says one thing while the “act” says another.

We know that “lying” (properly defined) is “intrinsically wrong”. So even one act of “lying” is not permitted.

All of this needs to be “fleshed out” a bit more (no pun intended).
Intrinsically wrong means like wearing a left shoe on right foot. :rolleyes:
 
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