What is the proper definiton of the word 'Protestant'?

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Actually, Jim, I haven’t seen so many posters here labeling themselves on their profile as Protestants.
I have seen more labeling themselves Christian (like I do.)
And what I realized is that especially the SDA here like to label themselves Protestant and the few JWs. - Simply those who have to hide their affiliation. 😉
Thanks, Esdra. But that’s not identifying nomenclature, since Christian and Catholic are synonomous. Would you share why you don’t name your denomination? Just wondering.
 
Have you read Dr. Francis J. Beckwith’s Return to Rome, Confessions of an Evangelical Catholic? Beckwith resigned as President of the 4,000-member Evangelical Theological Society in order to come home to the Catholic Church. He’s an authentic Evangelical Catholic.🙂

web.me.com/francis.beckwith/FrancisBeckwith.com/Welcome.html

Jim Dandy
Without knowing if Dr. Francis J, Beckwith was a Lutheran or not, I would like to state that hn160 meant that he is a “High Church” Lutheran (LCMS), thus he used, IMO, the term Evangelical Catholic. LCMS members (so I assume) often see themselves as Evangelical Catholics, just like High Church Anglicans see themselves as Anglican Catholic.
 
I am sorry if I or other Catholics have been offense, I am here to defend my faith Apostolic Christiany , I don’t claim to be perfect, i am a sinner, I do my best not to react negativly. I assume non Catholics visit these forums to learn what Catholics believe, after all, it is ‘Catholic Answers’ main reason for being. God bless you in your search for Truth Stepson and in His name I wish you Peace, Carlan.
I agree I try not to be offensive as well, but I have negative feelings about Protestantism that might creep into my comments. I’m sorry to everyone if that’s the case.

If you’re Protestant it probably seems sometimes that we’re not charitable here on CAF. Looking back when I was a Protestant, the Catholics who were truly ‘charitable’ were the ones that didn’t beat around the bush. I said that certain books had been added to the Bible, they said there was no such thing as the Apocrypha. There were many other examples. I pray that you allow yourself to be led to the Catholic Church as I did. It truly is the pillar and foundation of the truth.
 
I appreciate your words. Actually, I had already asked the forum master to delete my account. I was here seeing if the account had been deleted when I saw hn160 being attacked. I must confess, I couldn’t help my sinful nature by sending off one before I left. I expected to be called a “troll” or whatever a non-conformist is called on this forum. Then I can across your words.

Just in case someone still thinks I am a troll, here is (was) my reading list:

A Well Built Faith Joe Paprocki
Practicing Catholic James Carroll
Catholic and Christian Alan Schreck
Why I Am Catholic Garry Wills
Reformation Patrick Collinson

And I have recently gone to 8:30 Mass several times. My curiosity was genuine.

My story began here because, when I wanted to learn more about my way of worship (Lutheranism) I began reading the Book of Concordia. The more I read, the more I saw the Catholic Church staring back at me. I read history and found out how Luther adored Mary and said the Rosary. I then read how Luther, in the Small Catechism, instructed us to make the sign of the cross before prayer. So I did and it felt awesome! An outwardly sign of my love for God. Being physical beings, this is something I could feel. The word of God is GREAT but combined with something I can touch in worship besides the Word is even better. So then it got me thinking, if the Catholics were right by holding on to this, what else are they right about. Which lead me to my “Why religion is like a car going to the party,” analogy. But that is for another time.

That lead me on to this forum. Then I ran into the Catholics themselves. I will never forget that you cannot judge the masses by the few. I completely understand that.

But the attacks hurt regardless if they are ended with some sort of loving statement of “peace” or “God bless” on the end. To me, that is like someone calling you an idiot but adding no offense, as if somehow the no offense part erases the insult.

On this forum, Protestants have been called heretics, sinners, unsaved and sheep in wolf’s clothing etc… All this on the non-Catholic area of the forum. Has anyone wondered why someone asks a question of Protestantism and only one or two answer and the rest are Catholic.

Well, I for one was done with this forum. The books were going onto the shelf and I was going back to my comfort zone. Then I read your words. It leaves me with hope and encouragement to keep looking.

Someone a post back or two on the “troll” posting said something about presuming someones goals will not drive someone away; I say you are DEAD wrong. If these posts can keep me from the Catholic Church, they can certainly reinforce stereotypes that Christians are judgmental.

Now I know full well that after this post I will be called some derogative name. No prob. But to you Fone Bone 2001, I say thank you. May the Lord bless you and keep you. Keep you powder dry and keep up the good fight.
God bless you as well. I’m grateful my words encouraged you a little. May the Lord be with you as you continue your journey as a Christian, and thank you for your kind words, Stepson. 🙂
Catholics call non-Catholic Christians Protestants, but usually non-Catholic Christians never use the word “Protestant”.
That’s true only of some Protestants. Sure, the non-denominational types are sometimes known to eschew any label other than “Christian,” but the more intellectual Reformed types who know their history and theology a bit better than most actually do acknowledge that they are Protestants without being asked.
Personal attacks are not allowed on Catholic Answers. But you should expect that Catholics will not agree with you about Protestantism in any of its many forms and that we will defend our Faith. But it isn’t personal.
I agree, but I don’t think Stepson is wrong to feel the way he does. I have seen some posts in my time here that do make it personal, that include name-calling just as Stepson said.

Usually it’s Catholics who mean well. They think they’re being heroically bold with the unmitigated truth, but really… they’re just being mean. There is a difference.

“Protestantism is wrong about X, Y, and Z” = bold with the truth

“Protestantism is irrational/sinful/disobedient/shameful/etc.” = personal attacks that are not appropriate or conducive to spreading truth. And yes, I have seen comments like that on these forums from time to time.

Okay, I’m changing gears. It’s nitpicking time. 😃
That’s not identifying nomenclature, since Christian and Catholic are synonomous.
Well, not exactly. Yes, all Catholics are Christians, but not all Christians are Catholics, so the terms are not strictly interchangeable.
I said that certain books had been added to the Bible, they said there was no such thing as the Apocrypha.
Just a quick point: they weren’t exactly right. There is such a thing as the Apocrypha, it just doesn’t include Tobit, Judith, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, Wisdom, Sirach, and Baruch, which are of course fully part of Sacred Scripture.

But there are Apocryphal books - 3 and 4 Maccabees, the Book of Enoch, Paralipomena of Jeremiah, etc. (Protestants call these books pseudepigraphal)
Protestant church: Non-Catholic Christian church.
Nah, that definition doesn’t work, because it fails to cover the existence of the Orthodox, the Oriental Orthodox, the Assyrian Church of the East, and the Ancient Church of the East.

Perhaps you could say “non-Catholic western Christian church”
 
Thanks, Esdra. But that’s not identifying nomenclature, since Christian and Catholic are synonomous. Would you share why you don’t name your denomination? Just wondering.
Because at the moment I am officially Catholic, but not really practicing, thus inofficially I am not. 😉
I am visiting a Baptist Church, but I am not a full member yet. - (Credo-)Baptism is still missing.
So, at the moment I feel I don’t really have a denomination/Church, thus, as I am a Christian with all of my heart, and always have been, I have written Christian on my profile! 🙂
I would never consider myself a Protestant. I rather prefer non-Catholic, or simply Christian. I don’t like thae term Protestant, as I think that there are hardly no real Protestants out there anymore, who really protest against something.
Luther was a Protestant, IMO, as well as Zwingli and Calvin and the founders of the Anabaptist Church(es) in Switzerland in the 16th century (They even protested against the Reformed Evangelical Church in Switzerland, not only against the RCC).
 
Because at the moment I am officially Catholic, but not really practicing, thus inofficially I am not. 😉
I am visiting a Baptist Church, but I am not a full member yet. - (Credo-)Baptism is still missing.
So, at the moment I feel I don’t really have a denomination/Church, thus, as I am a Christian with all of my heart, and always have been, I have written Christian on my profile! 🙂
I would never consider myself a Protestant. I rather prefer non-Catholic, or simply Christian. I don’t like thae term Protestant, as I think that there are hardly no real Protestants out there anymore, who really protest against something.
Luther was a Protestant, IMO, as well as Zwingli and Calvin and the founders of the Anabaptist Church(es) in Switzerland in the 16th century (They even protested against the Reformed Evangelical Church in Switzerland, not only against the RCC).
I beileve I asked somewhere on some thread I can find:D But what is your reason for not staying in the CC? The Novus Ordo Mass isn’t hard to take, it requires what an Hour a week?

God Bless, Gary
 
Because at the moment I am officially Catholic, but not really practicing, thus inofficially I am not. 😉
I am visiting a Baptist Church, but I am not a full member yet. - (Credo-)Baptism is still missing.
So, at the moment I feel I don’t really have a denomination/Church, thus, as I am a Christian with all of my heart, and always have been, I have written Christian on my profile! 🙂
I would never consider myself a Protestant. I rather prefer non-Catholic, or simply Christian. I don’t like thae term Protestant, as I think that there are hardly no real Protestants out there anymore, who really protest against something.
Luther was a Protestant, IMO, as well as Zwingli and Calvin and the founders of the Anabaptist Church(es) in Switzerland in the 16th century (They even protested against the Reformed Evangelical Church in Switzerland, not only against the RCC).
You may not realize that you are Protestant, Esdra, but your posts have made it clear that you indeed do protest against your personal experience of Catholic faith. You were longing for a more authentic spiritual experience, and have deliberately taken steps to move away from Catholicism. this is what characterizes protest.

You have also embraced one of the many ecclesial traditions that emanate from the Reformation, and this also characterizes you as Protestant. The original Reformers were heretics, but you are right, there are very few spiritual descendants of them that can now days be considered heretics. To qualify for that, one must have known the Truth, then willfully departed from it. Most of them think that the Catholic Church is a denomination, and has departed from the Truth. They don’t know where their Bible originated, or many of the doctrines they espouse, like the hypostatic union of Christ, the Trinity, etc.
 
I beileve I asked somewhere on some thread I can find:D But what is your reason for not staying in the CC? The Novus Ordo Mass isn’t hard to take, it requires what an Hour a week?

God Bless, Gary
Esdra has done some detailed posts about this. If you click on his name, then scroll to “find all posts” you can read through them.
 
“Protestantism is irrational/sinful/disobedient/shameful/etc.” = personal attacks that are not appropriate or conducive to spreading truth. And yes, I have seen comments like that on these forums from time to time.
I doubt that Protestantism itself has been characterized as “sinful, disobedient, or shameful” on this forum. Is it possible for you to give me an instance? That Protestantism is irrational in the sense of illogical, yes. Disobedient is said of Luther and the Reformers – and it’s quite true. But shameful?
Well, not exactly. Yes, all Catholics are Christians, but not all Christians are Catholics, so the terms are not strictly interchangeable.
Since all Catholics are Christians, it is not a distinguishing designation to label oneself as simply “Christian.” It may, in fact, stem from the belief of many Protestants that Catholics are not Christian. “You Catholic, me Christian.” Catholics were the only Christians for centuries. Those who “were first called Christians at Antioch” were Catholics (Acts 11:26).

“Where the bishop appears, there let the people be, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the Symrnaeans, A.D. 107.

Jim Dandy
Former Protestant, agnostic, atheist
 
Hi. The word 'Protestant gets tossed around here a lot on CAF, often as a challenge or slur and without definition. Just what is the proper definiton of the word ‘Protestant’?

Recently I have been challenged on another thread to include Mormonism, the JW’s, and Oneness Pentecostals as examples of Protestant denominations. I rejected this because I don’t think they qualify. To me a Protestant is someone who believes in the Trinity as well Sola Scriptura and (in general) Sola Fide, by faith alone. These are a set. The problem with this is that it’s a subjective definition. My parents for instance agree with these points but reject the term. What ultimately is needed is an objective standard to judge by. Webster’s Third New International Dictionary defines the word ‘Protestant’ as both;

A NOUN:
Protestant
1a) one of the German princes favoring the Lutheran movement who presented at the Diet of Spires in 1529 a protest opposing the annulment of an earlier decree allowing each prince to manage the affairs of his territory and defending freedom of conscience and the right of minorities
1b)[archaic] a member of the Anglican church
1c)a member of a Protestant religous body
1d) a Christian not of a Roman Catholic or Eastern church
2a) one who makes a declaration
2b) one who makes a protest
3)one who applies Protestant principles elsewhere than religion

and;

AN ADJECTIVE:
Protestant
  1. of or relating to one of the Christian churches separating from the Roman Catholic Church in the Reformation of the 16th century or from another Protestant church to defend beliefs and practices held vital (as the Refromation principles of justification by faith, the priesthood of all believers, the authority and suffiency of the Bible, and the right and duty of individual judgement in matters of faith), usually rejecting as unscriptural the ceremonial reverence of the saints, monasticism, clerical celibacy, and all but two sacraments, and marked by non-liturgical worship featuring preaching, emphasis on individual salvation or morality or on social reform, and sectarian divisions based on points of doctrine or observance
    2)making or sounding a protest
To Catholics; do either of these defintions have inherent problems of logic and/or inconsistency? If so, what? To self described ‘Protestants’; what do you make of these definitions? Are they sufficient and acceptable to you, or is there room for improvement? Where?

Everyone PLEASE, but PLEASE:gopray: be CHARITABLE in your responses:)
I was always taught the 2nd def. that you had. Anyone who is not in communion with the RCC.

They protest a teaching. You can protest something and not carry a sign etc. To Protest something is to speak out against. That is what happens to people or fall from the RCC or are not a part of it. There is something about the teaching that they protest.
 
I was always taught the 2nd def. that you had. Anyone who is not in communion with the RCC.

They protest a teaching. You can protest something and not carry a sign etc. To Protest something is to speak out against. That is what happens to people or fall from the RCC or are not a part of it. There is something about the teaching that they protest.
So the Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox Churches are also Protestants?
hm. - No, not really. So, IMO, your definition doesn’t fit.
 
Esdra read the Def. quoted it says not in communion with the Roman Church. So my answer sure does fit in with the def. given.😛
 
So the Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox Churches are also Protestants?
hm. - No, not really. So, IMO, your definition doesn’t fit.
No. EO churches are NOT Protestant. Nothing can be futher from the truth.
 
Is it possible for you to give me an instance? That Protestantism is irrational in the sense of illogical, yes.
Don’t have a particular instance off the top of my head, but people need to realize that negative blanket statements about a whole belief system are hurtful to its adherents.

It’s one thing to say, “Look, guys, sola Scriptura is irrational and self-defeating because of x, y, and z.” That keeps it specific, focused, and debatable.

But if someone were to say, “Protestantism is irrational and self-defeating” (or any negative comment that keeps it generic), that does often come across as hurtful to Protestants. It’s not bold, it’s just really poorly executed apologetics.

Sensitivity and directness are not mutually exclusive; in fact, the former is necessary or we will simply harden hearts further. Stepson’s reply above is proof of this.
Since all Catholics are Christians, it is not a distinguishing designation to label oneself as simply “Christian.”
True. But my original point remains - it is completely wrong to say that the terms are synonymous.
It may, in fact, stem from the belief of many Protestants that Catholics are not Christian.
I think that most of the time this isn’t true. It seems the reason many Protestants choose to self-identify merely as “Christian” is simply that they do not tend to think of themselves as “Protestant” (even if they realize they are). You ask one what his or her faith is, (s)he will naturally reply “Christian” (even though (s)he knows (s)he’s Protestant as well). Catholics, by contrast, often just say “Catholic.”

As a result, many Protestants are accustomed to labeling Catholics “Catholics” but Protestants as “Christian.” They don’t mean to imply that Catholics aren’t Christian.

Don’t get me wrong, they still merit correction when they say things like, “Oh, I’m not Catholic, I’m Christian.” When I hear that I always say, “We’re Christians too. You mean, ‘I’m not Catholic, I’m Protestant.’ If you just say ‘I’m Christian,’ well, that’s just as true of us.”
I was always taught the 2nd def. that you had. Anyone who is not in communion with the RCC.
But that’s a terrible definition, because by that definition the Orthodox are Protestants, too. They are definitely not. They have valid Sacraments and apostolic succession.
 
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