What is the pull of Islam?

[Booklover]

They know. Although mine is not disobediant, I beat her twice a day, in the morning and in the evening ; she obeys Allah, she does not retaliate. The day she does, I am dead.

Salaam.
Joseph.

What did you mean by the " Big Day is coming"?

Vickie

 

[Booklover]

No Joseph it is not about triumphalism…we people do NOT care about numbers, especially that Jesus told us beforehand that we must endure till the end and warned us about false prophets deceiving even the elect; so that’s really no problem to people who know their faith.

It is much easier to know about non-Muslims converting to Islam because no one gets life threat. It is the huge numbers of Muslims who convert to Christianity without declaring it that makes people think nothing is happening.

Muslims themselves admit that 75% of converts to Islam leave it within 5 years and are wondering about the massives of Muslims converting each year to Christianity. These are Muslims talking on Al-Jazeera, not propaganda. But again, if they convert we feel happy for they found the true path, not to boast about it cuz boasting means that someone needs others to convince himself.

And Jesus told us: And behold I am with you always, until the end of the age and also that even the gates of hell would not prevail against his church!

So even if things look bad for Christianity at the moment, it will never be destroyed! That is what we have to hold on to.

 

[Joseph_Alison]

What did you mean by the " Big Day is coming"?
Vickie

The big day Vickie is between the hands of the American people. That day people you will: “see the people enter Allah’s Religion in crowds”[110.002] Why? because after every difficulty there is a relief.

Salaam.
Joseph.

 

[inJESUS]

They know. Although mine is not disobediant, I beat her twice a day, in the morning and in the evening ; she obeys Allah, she does not retaliate. The day she does, I am dead.

Salaam.
Joseph.

am sure Allah was not joking though when he revealed this verse

 

[inJESUS]

And Jesus told us: And behold I am with you always, until the end of the age and also that even the gates of hell would not prevail against his church!

So even if things look bad for Christianity at the moment, it will never be destroyed! That is what we have to hold on to.

will things be worse than when we used to be food for lions? things looked bad for Christianity many times throughout history, but the gates of hell were always closed by the One who conquers the world and before He comes back again to judge, satan will do his best to lure more and more souls.

 

[Integritus]

Southeast Asia/Indonesia; much of Africa; and parts of Central Asia (some areas were conquered, but Islam spread way beyond those areas if I’m not mistaken). The Mongols converted to Islam after conquering the Muslims!

The “central” Islamic lands were conquered first and then converted; in the more peripheral areas (outside the contested frontier with Christianity) it was often the other way round.

Edwin

The general option given by Muslim conquest to non-Muslims was 1. accept Islam 2. pay a tax (often additional social penalties) 3. or die. Although this methodology has changed in today’s world by Muslim governments, the art of socially bleeding the Christian populations (often with the hope of gradually making the Church completely disappear) is still practiced in some countries such as in Turkey and that government’s restriction on the Patriarch of Constantinople and the Orthodox Church in Turkey. I know Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Iran also have civil restrictions for Christians. And in other countries like Algeria, Palestine, Pakistan, and Libya, Christians are populary discriminated against.

The Malay archipelago and the steppes of central Asia are probably the exception to this method of conquest and gradual conversion of the masses. Islam was brought to SE Asia by Arab traders from the 14th century. I wouldn’t exactly call them missionaries in the truest meaning, as they had economical aims. The Malays, being the mild people they are, eventually adopted the religion of these Arab communities. However, the Islam in SE Asia is vastly different than standard Islam of the Middle East, so much so that traditional local (ancient) customs among the various Malay peoples supersedes Islamic law.

Those peoples in the steppes of central Asia were governed at various times by Persians, Mongols, and Turkic who were already Muslim, thus enforcing Islam. And you’re right about the Mongols conquering Muslims and then converting. But when conversion was apparent, Mongols already assimilated and lost power among the natives, thus almost out of necessity.

And much of Africa under Islamic majority was in fact conquered by zealous Muslims. Fanaticism of conquest and the sword allowed the Arabs to sweep over Egypt, Libya, and Barbary. During the following centuries, Berbers and Arab descendants, now dominately Muslim, went to seek conquest in the kingdoms of west Africa and the Sudan just below the Sahara desert. I’ll concede though, that the ethnic black Africans who eventually adopted Islam rarely proselytized others using force, except the Sudanese who were quite fanatic Muslims. (You can read some astonishing stories of black Muslim Sudanese in Hillaire Belloc’s The Crusades: The World’s Debate)

Point is, throughout Christian history we see the undisputable fact that now millions of missionary men and women, taking Holy Orders and the vow of poverty, being able to convert peoples, only teaching their faith, no political or economical motives. I don’t see the mirror prototype practiced in Islam.

 

[inJESUS]

The big day Vickie is between the hands of the American people. That day people you will: “see the people enter Allah’s Religion in crowds”[110.002] Why? because after every difficulty there is a relief.

Salaam.
Joseph.

110.002 is talking about Mecca…unless Mecca is in the US?

 

[exoflare]

110.002 is talking about Mecca…unless Mecca is in the US?

This is what happens when a religion has no authority.

 

[inJESUS]

This is what happens when a religion has no authority.

it’s just Joseph who thought it’s a prophecy

 

[exoflare]

it’s just Joseph who thought it’s a prophecy

Yeah, but aren’t they all free to think so?

 

[Darrel]

Salaam Darrel;

What if I tell you that in 5 converts, 4 are female! This is despite all the propaganda about how Islam oppresses women.

Salaam.
Joseph.

Ok,

I’m sure the next woman buried up to her neck in the UAE to be stoned death will agree that Islam does not opress women. As posted above I need links to back up your stats. If they are personal opinion please say so.

-D

 

[Joseph_Alison]

110.002 is talking about Mecca…unless Mecca is in the US?

Hehehe, funny.
You know exactly why I quoted the verse. So please stop taking everything as source for joke.
I know it is talking about Mecca. The verse is talking about Nasr Allah ( the victory of Allah) and that is why I quoted it.
The verse says, when nasr Allah comes, and you will see people entering the religion of Allah in crowds, then the praise the name of your Lord. Could happen anytime, anywhere, and not specifically in Mecca (it is already happening in smaller scale, but I am waiting for the bigger scale).

Salaam.
Joseph.

 

[inJESUS]

Hehehe, funny.
You know exactly why I quoted the verse. So please stop taking everything as source for joke.
I know it is talking about Mecca. The verse is talking about Nasr Allah ( the victory of Allah) and that is why I quoted it.
The verse says, when nasr Allah comes, and you will see people entering the religion of Allah in crowds, then the praise the name of your Lord. Could happen anytime, anywhere, and not specifically in Mecca (it is already happening in smaller scale, but I am waiting for the bigger scale).

Salaam.
Joseph.

the tafasir say it is about Mecca…it’s not a prophecy, as simple as this

i may consider this a prophecy:

** سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول: " إن الناسَ دَخَلُوا في دين الله أفواجاً، وسيَخْرُجونَ من دينِ اللَّهِ أَفْواجاً " ** i heard the prophet of Allah saying : People entered Islam en masse, and they will leave en masse

 

[Catholic_Mike]

Rien, you talked about the unity of Islam. That’s news to me. How is Islam unified?

Religion shouldn’t be about culture, either. Yeah, the West sucks: materialism, apathy, etc. The Middle East has its problems too. But the Truth of what God wants of us isn’t going to be found by deciding which cultural context has more merit to it.

Salaam Rien;
Islam has another thing which lacks in other religions.

The first thing you mentioned was the absolute oneness of God. Muslims must admit that Jews have the same principle, so no, that’s not unique. The second thing you mentioned was “hidden acts of worship” - because no one knows whether another has done things pleasing to God. I think every major religion can claim that in one way or another. No one can see into the hearts of others. That’s not unique either.

Anyway, uniqueness isn’t a very important criteria. Only truth matters.

 

[Joseph_Alison]

Is that true? I’d like to see documented evidence of this 4 in 5 claim. Thanks. All we hear is “it is said…” But who’s saying it? If true, why? Need data, thanks again.

Please visit this SITE. Look at the convert stories section. Most of them are females.
Salaam.
Joseph.

 

[Joseph_Alison]

the tafasir say it is about Mecca…it’s not a prophecy, as simple as this

Did I say it is a prophecy? I am not a messiah, remember!
I said the big day is coming where the true perpetrators of the crime of 9/11 will be uncovered, and that day is the day I am waiting for. It already started, no one can stop it, more crime could possibly be committed to try stopping it from coming but it will come, I have not the slightest doubt about it. The true American patriots will do that; I am sure they will and it is not a prophecy!

i may consider this a prophecy:
** سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول: " إن الناسَ دَخَلُوا في دين الله أفواجاً، وسيَخْرُجونَ من دينِ اللَّهِ أَفْواجاً " ** i heard the prophet of Allah saying : People entered Islam en masse, and they will leave en masse

Reference please!
By the way, The Prophet (PBUH) made prophecies about how people will become less religious, but it has to do with the end of times.

Salaam.
Joseph.

 

[Montalban]

Please visit this Look at the convert stories section. Most of them are females.

Islam has a number of things helping it. They are all inter-related

a) Anti-clericalism and post-modernism in the West (for some reason is aimed more at Christianity and Judaism than Islam).
Christians are blamed for slavery, genocide, holding back science, subjugating women etc. The ‘free’ press goes to town with every wayward priest.
Judaism is closely aligned with Israel, seen by the left as racist and imperialist.
Post-modernism deems all religions to be the same; truths relative to individual (person/regional) experiences. Any attempt to argue the absolute truths of Christianity are generally brought down by howls of derision. Comes the cry: “Who are you to judge me?” or “Christianity is already ‘proven’ to be wrong by science.”
The Gay-lobby* are keen to wave the flag of ‘freedom’ against the oppressive Judeo-Christian world.
Christianity is blamed for most of the world’s wars. Even Hitler is made-out to have been Christian.

b) Islam is further immune from criticism by those ignorant of it or frightened to speak out
Just one example: In Holland a film director made a film about women in Islam and was stabbed to death
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director
Islam is seen as a ‘victim’ of Western Imperialism. Any criticism of it is deemed to be further evidence of western imperialism; Islam is seen as the victim of Western intellectual bullies.
Even when Moslems strike out (as suicide bombers, etc.) they are said to be not typical of the religion as a whole. Any attempts to point out that Islam is in fact violent brings howls of derision from modernists (including liberal-thinking Christians who are already self-loathing and uncomfortable with discussions based on absolutes).

c) Islam itself offers false portrayals of itself (helped by the lack of ‘negative’ appraisals - see reasons above)
Lying for Islam is sanctioned. Oft cited is the ‘no compulsion in religion’ text… without any historic context (it was ‘abrogated’ by later texts). Modern apologists portray Islam as a peaceful faith. It is said to have spread peacefully, in contrast to the fact everyone knows how cruel the Crusades and the Inquisition were. Revisionists contrast Islamic Spain to that same country post re-conquest. They pretend that Islamic Spain was peaceful and pluralistic.

d) Oil
money from this has made Moslem powers very rich. They sponsor projects within the community of Islam and strengthen it’s cultural bonds. In the inter-related world economy this also limits some opposition to Islam as petro-dollars pay for silence.

e) Aspects of Islam itself
There are two-fold.
In the world of relativism Islam offers answers - any answer seems to do for some who are seeking some direction. Given the fact Moslems present a false image of their faith, many prospective converts are lead into the faith with a false understanding. Practice of submission and other ways of dulling the mind through prayers to a created being (not a God) makes one more (spiritually) susceptible to such forces.
Added to this there are vast prohibitions in Islam against conversion from it. This helps make sure that movement within religions is heavily in favour of increase in numbers. Everything from officially sanctioned policies of discrimination and persecution of non-Moslems, to laws in Islam regarding marriage to non-Moslems. Moslem men can marry non-Moslem women, but the wife is restricted in the practice of her faith, and the kids must be raised Moslem. Moslem women are not allowed to marry non-Moslem men.
You’re not allowed to preach the Truth in many countries, such as Saudi Arabia.
In some cases the fact Islam allows plural marriage (and historically concubinage) has allowed numbers to swell. There are forced conversions too.

Given all these things it truly is the power of God that people see the light and move to embrace Christ.

• I have a friend who is gay, and a communist (Trotskyist). He supports many arguments in favour of Islam. Even when I try pointing out that in a Moslem world he’d be executed for either being gay, or an atheist (and communist), he believes that I am just a neo-Imperialist.

 

[melbourne_guy]

i really dont think islam is growing, i personally think its one big fad. During the sixties a group of anti-christ, marxist, adulterous drug attics, called “the Beatles” converted to an eastern new age religion, and with that everyone followed. That eventually died down, so will islam.

 

[Catholic29]

i really dont think islam is growing, i personally think its one big fad. During the sixties a group of anti-christ, marxist, adulterous drug attics, called “the Beatles” converted to an eastern new age religion, and with that everyone followed. That eventually died down, so will islam.

Well Islam was founded 1400 years ago, it wasn’t like some crackpot in the 60s who started it all. Asian and African immigrants are bringing it to the West, and their generally having more babies than European Christian people…

 

[exoflare]

By the way, The Prophet (PBUH) made prophecies about how people will become less religious, but it has to do with the end of times.

Salaam.
Joseph.

Dude, you don’t need a “prophet” to tell you that people generally become less religious in the future… it’s just common sense.

Even if there was no way we could tell, I find it funny that such a thing coming from Mohammed’s mouth is a “prophecy” and yet this (which was written centuries before him):
2 Timothy:

But understand this: there will be terrifying times in the last days.
2 People will be self-centered and lovers of money, proud, haughty, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, irreligious, 3 callous, implacable, slanderous, licentious, brutal, hating what is good, 4 traitors, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 as they make a pretense of religion but deny its power. Reject them. 6 For some of these slip into homes and make captives of women weighed down by sins, led by various desires, 7 always trying to learn but never able to reach a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so they also oppose the truth–people of depraved mind, unqualified in the faith. 9 But they will not make further progress, for their foolishness will be plain to all, as it was with those two.

…is just “corrupt” scripture. Once again, Muslim double-standards abound.