What is the pull of Islam?

[Sufi]

Well Islam was founded 1400 years ago, it wasn’t like some crackpot in the 60s who started it all. Asian and African immigrants are bringing it to the West, and their generally having more babies than European Christian people…

Adam(as) was born 1400 years ago?

Be fruitful and multiply. This is how you help to be strong in numbers.

 

[exoflare]

Adam(as) was born 1400 years ago?

Get off your high-horse already. You only believe Islam started with Adam because that very same guy 1400 years ago said so.

 

[pro_universal]

Dude, you don’t need a “prophet” to tell you that people generally become less religious in the future… it’s just common sense.

Even if there was no way we could tell, I find it funny that such a thing coming from Mohammed’s mouth is a “prophecy” and yet this (which was written centuries before him):

…is just “corrupt” scripture. Once again, Muslim double-standards abound.

I propose that you change your handle on faithfreedom.org’s forum to “Special K”

 

[inJESUS]

Did I say it is a prophecy? I am not a messiah, remember!

not to be picky Joseph, but it’s a virtue to acknowledge our faults.

Here’s what you said :

The big day Vickie is between the hands of the American people. That day people you will

 

[BobCatholic]

Muslim missionaries at my door several months ago asked if the prayer of Jesus that :they may be one" was not efficacious - there are 23,000 or so denominations - how can he be God? I am really troubled by that and my faith in Catholicsm and Chritianity is becoming increasingly shaky.

Frankly, the same relativism that is at work in protestantism is the exact same relativism at work in Islam.

I would have asked the muslim missionaries: If a mullah misinterprets the Koran and teaches something alien to Islam, what is there in place to correct him and make sure the faith is preserved?

The answer is: Nothing.

Just as in protestantism, there is no way to determine which interpretation of scripture of the 23,000 or so denominations is the true one (the one held by Christ and the Apostles) for it is not written in the Bible, the same thing for the Koran.

There is no Islamic or protestant version of the Vatican to make the official, and authoritative binding and loosing. Only the Catholic Church has this mechanism in place, put in there by Christ (Matthew 18) to make sure the faith is preserved. Christ’s prayer “that they may be one” is true only in the Catholic Church.

Islam, has no such thing. Thus relativism ensues there.
Same thing in protestantism.

There is no “one” Islamic faith, there are Shiites, Sunnis, Wahabbi, Nation of Islam…Islam is divided into lots of denominations itself.

So the only pull Islam has is: Relativism.

 

[Booklover]

Did I say it is a prophecy? I am not a messiah, remember!
I said the big day is coming where the true perpetrators of the crime of 9/11 will be uncovered, and that day is the day I am waiting for. It already started, no one can stop it, more crime could possibly be committed to try stopping it from coming but it will come, I have not the slightest doubt about it. The true American patriots will do that; I am sure they will and it is not a prophecy!

Reference please!
By the way, The Prophet (PBUH) made prophecies about how people will become less religious, but it has to do with the end of times.

Salaam.
Joseph.

Joseph, you disappoint me! What are you trying to claim here with your triumphalistic and incoherent remarks, that the U.S, was the real perpetrator of the crimes committed that day?? Denial, denial, denial, Muslims live in denial and in a fantasy world!

And I suppose the Holocaust didn’t happen??

I really feel sorry for you.

Vickie

 

[exoflare]

Joseph, you disappoint me! What are you trying to claim here with your triumphalistic and incoherent remarks, that the U.S, was the real perpetrator of the crimes committed that day?? Denial, denial, denial, Muslims live in denial and in a fantasy world!

And I suppose the Holocaust didn’t happen??

I really feel sorry for you.

Vickie

I used to think that only a few Muslims bought this “9/11 conspiracy” BS, and I gave them the benefit of the doubt because most of them that I talked to never really touched on the subject. But lately I’ve heard quite a few defending it. I’m starting to wonder if this is actually a common sentiment in the Islamic world?

 

[Joseph_Alison]

exoflare:

Dude, you don’t need a “prophet” to tell you that people generally become less religious in the future… it’s just common sense.

My mistake. I forgot that many here are extremely allergic to anything we say about Mumammad (PBUH). Normal, he supposedly “downgraded” their God to a mere human status.

Anyway, Our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (be upon him, his family and his companions until the last day) the peace and blessings of Allah -The most High, The One who sent Moses and Jesus and all the prophets and messengers before them, said:

"Be prompt in doing good deeds before you are overtaken by turbulence, which would be like a part of the dark night: A man would be a believer in the morning and turn to disbelief in the evening, or he would be a believer in the evening and turn
disbeliever in the morning, and would sell his Faith for worldly goods.’’ [Muslim].

Salaam.
Joseph.

 

[Joseph_Alison]

Joseph, you disappoint me! What are you trying to claim here with your triumphalistic and incoherent remarks, that the U.S, was the real perpetrator of the crimes committed that day?? Denial, denial, denial, Muslims live in denial and in a fantasy world!
And I suppose the Holocaust didn’t happen??
I really feel sorry for you.
Vickie

Don’t feel disappointed, don’t feel sorry for me and don’t roll your eyes and don’t panic. I am a balanced person, I am not in denial and don’t generalize about Muslims living in denial and in fantasy world. I don’t represent “Muslims”, so why bring all the Muslims into the discussion?

Where did I say the US did it? Time will tell who did it, and that day, drop me an IM, or I will. No more talks about it for now.

Salaam.
Joseph.

 

[inJESUS]

well, i don’t have speculations about 9/11 but Muhammad Ata and Jihad (?) Jarrah were neither Americans nor Zionists .But am open to all speculations…we’ll see what the future will reveal.

 

[exoflare]

My mistake. I forgot that many here are extremely allergic to anything we say about Mumammad (PBUH). Normal, he supposedly “downgraded” their God to a mere human status.

Anyway, Our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (be upon him, his family and his companions until the last day) the peace and blessings of Allah -The most High, The One who sent Moses and Jesus and all the prophets and messengers before them, said:

"Be prompt in doing good deeds before you are overtaken by turbulence, which would be like a part of the dark night: A man would be a believer in the morning and turn to disbelief in the evening, or he would be a believer in the evening and turn
disbeliever in the morning, and would sell his Faith for worldly goods.’’ [Muslim].

Salaam.
Joseph.

Pure sarcasm with no substance indicates you have no answer. Was there a point hidden somewhere in that reply?

 

[cestusdei]

Joseph, I suggest the book The Truth About Muhammed by Spencer. It uses Islamic sources and gives some quotes from your prophet that don’t sound like anything Jesus would say.

 

[Lance]

For me there is absolutly no pull toward Islam. In fact I am repulsed by Islam.

 

[rien]

Christianity is in a lull, the majority of Christians in the west support abortion, contraception, fornication, co-habitation, divorce and remarriage etc… I’m basing this on the fact that 2/3rd of our primarily Christian nation support abortion, and the numbers only rise for the rest. Today’s Catholic may dabble in any and all of these and receive the Eucharist gladly come Sunday without confessing if he/she even attends Mass anymore. And how often do you hear these issues addressed? Almost never, don’t want to offend the sensibilities of the parishoners by calling it like it is.

Just today for All Saints myself and one other old man sat during Holy Communion while every single person received. I hate to judge the situation but I attend daily Mass regularly there is rarely more than two people in line for confession yet 400 get up to recieve? There’s this huge disconnect between what our faith teaches and what parishoners do. It’s like the 800 pound gorrilla in the room. If people really aren’t practicing their faith anymore but simply going through the motions, then that leaves them open to leave easy.

Since it appears to the layman the Christian West has all but accepted abortion, contraception, homosexual marriage, fornication, co-habitation etc… And whether people realize it or not, these go against the moral law, so they seek out what appears on the outside the more devout way of serving God. And on the outside Islam appears that way to people. It doesn’t seem like a bunch of folks just going through the motions and not actually believing or practicing their faith, but actual devout lovers of God. That’s the draw IMO.

Very good point.

 

[cestusdei]

Actually there are Muslims who claim that they ARE just going through the motions. They are not the ones I worry about. The ones who really get into Islam seem to end up strapping bombs to themselves or stoning women to death or crucifying children…no exactly the love of God.

I see plenty of solid Catholics who take their faith very seriously. Some are dying for it right now at the hands of those devout Muslims. Our devout Catholics however don’t tend to chop the heads off of teenagers.

 

[Montalban]

Frankly, the same relativism that is at work in protestantism is the exact same relativism at work in Islam.

This is more true than some people realise.

A Protestant notion is that the rites of Catholic/Orthodox people came about after it became the ‘official’ church under Constantine. It’s a way Protestants can argue in order to debunk traditions by claiming that they were made up 300 years after Christ.

Moslems have posed to me the same argument; as they too believe that the followers of Christ changed Christ’s message.

 

[sneakers]

Read the news - as I said Chronicles magazine - very conservative and Pat Buchahan is a regular - can’t help but run a main feature in the current issue about Orthodox, Catholic and Protestants in the West converting in record numbers to Islam all since 9/11. Its more than theology, It is news. Some of us still Christian are open to the thouight that maybe Islam is True.

Many Catholics in society today are choosing the delights of this world. They are being deceived and walking away from the One True Church, and many Protestants are walking away from their Christian faith as well. Those who choose Islam are simply doing the same thing, except they are being called by a false god and being decieved, rather than worldly delights.

I would not only NOT choose islam - I am repelled by it. I will not be so easily deceived. And I don’t believe the numbers of ‘converts’ to islam is as high as you suggest.

 

[exoflare]

Those who choose Islam are simply doing the same thing, except they are being called by a false god and being decieved, rather than worldly delights.

That may be somewhat of a false dichotomy. Look at the Islamic version of heaven, and what it consists of. Also look at how Mohammed (prime example for humanity that he was ) spent his life chasing after worldly pleasures like money, power, and sex. These are the fruits of “spirituality” in the Muslim mindset.

 

[sneakers]

That may be somewhat of a false dichotomy. Look at the Islamic version of heaven, and what it consists of. Also look at how Mohammed (prime example for humanity that he was ) spent his life chasing after worldly pleasures like money, power, and sex. These are the fruits of “spirituality” in the Muslim mindset.

Thank you exoflare. I do believe you are right. If I had thought it through, I should have come to the same conclusion.

 

[Montalban]

One of the things in Islam is it’s not your fault.

If you rape a woman, it’s her fault for being there.

If you blow up a bus, it’s their fault for not converting.

If you shoot an old nun in the back, it’s her fault for someone else insulting Muhammed.