What is the Reason to Believe that the Bible is Less Than 73 Books (all inerrant and inspired)?

[FathersKnowBest]

The sticky part is knowing which is Moses.

Yeah, the followers of Korah could have used that argument, too. Didn’t work out too well for them, though.

The answer today is an historical one: which Church has the continuity of Authority as passed down from the Apostles?

So, because you disagree about, say, sola fide, it is proper to hold him to a different standard on his opinion regarding the canon of scripture?

Different standard?

Oh, but it is. Examples:

Again, since Luther was of differing minds, you could multiply examples on both sides. Here is what he wrote:

In a word St. John’s Gospel and his first epistle, St. Paul’s
epistles, especially Romans, Galatians, and Ephesians,
and St. Peter’s first epistle are the books that show you
Christ and teach you all that is necessary and salvatory for
you to know, even if you were never to see or hear any
other book or doctrine. Therefore St. James’ epistle is
really an epistle of straw, compared to these others, for it
has nothing of the nature of the gospel about it. But
more of this in the other prefaces.
(Preface to the New Testament, 1522 version; LW, Vol.
XXXV, 362)

No equivocating here about his opinion. He states it as fact.

To start with, John 20:22

Jon

Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.

Nope. No mention of the Keys of the Kingdom here.
C’mon, at least admit it when you’re blatently wrong. Even when it contradicts one of the underpinnings of your belief system.

 

[Porknpie]

You’re not so wishy-washy yourself, Pork.

Jon

You should meet my 13 year old daughter. Wonderful morally but STRIDENT!

:yup:

 

[hadulzo]

Pork
“To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.” Newman
You are just chiding the list. Like Marcus Grohdi, Scott Hahn, and many protestants before them you need to figure this out for yourself.
! But I am sure you have a fear that you a wrong like so many others. A good place to statt is “crossing the tiber” by yet anothrr former Protestant. I hope you haventhe courage to read it.

 

[JonNC]

Pork
“To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.” Newman
You are just chiding the list. Like Marcus Grohdi, Scott Hahn, and many protestants before them you need to figure this out for yourself.
! But I am sure you have a fear that you a wrong like so many others. A good place to statt is “crossing the tiber” by yet anothrr former Protestant. I hope you haventhe courage to read it.

Umm, Pork is Catholic.

Jon

 

[adf417]

Umm, Pork is Catholic.

Jon

Very!

 

[JonNC]

Very!

Admirably so.

Jon

 

[batman1973]

Pork
“To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.” Newman
You are just chiding the list. Like Marcus Grohdi, Scott Hahn, and many protestants before them you need to figure this out for yourself.
! But I am sure you have a fear that you a wrong like so many others. A good place to statt is “crossing the tiber” by yet anothrr former Protestant. I hope you haventhe courage to read it.

I disagree with Newman. The deeper I dig in Church History, the more sure I am of my Evangelical Catholicism.

 

[concretecamper]

I disagree with Newman. The deeper I dig in Church History, the more sure I am of my Evangelical Catholicism.

I pray you keeping digging

 

[adf417]

I pray you keeping digging

I pray he doesn’t keep digging in the same hole.

 

[Porknpie]

I disagree with Newman. The deeper I dig in Church History, the more sure I am of my Evangelical Catholicism.

Bat, friend,

You found sola fide and sola scriptura in church history?

Dig back to the synod of Hippo and you’ll find 73 books in the bible…to the subject of the thread.

 

[batman1973]

Bat, friend,

You found sola fide and sola scriptura in church history?

Dig back to the synod of Hippo and you’ll find 73 books in the bible…to the subject of the thread.

or, is the 78 of the Eastern/Greek Orthodox, the 81 of the Ethiopian Orthodox, or the 65 of the Mormon bible? (Holy Joe feels that the Song of Solomon wasn’t inspired writing.)

 

[batman1973]

Greg, Do dare say it, and as a catholic I will, the tradition set forth in the church of which I am a member holds that there are 66 books of scripture. As other Lutherans pointed out, the DCs have their place.I myself would have no problem with a bible having 73 (or 81 books, so long as the narrative stays the same.) As for sola fide, and sola scriptura, guess what? Again, I’m going to defer to the tradition of the church. When Martin Luther reformed the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church (of which I am a member of) the 5 solas were established, Sacred Scripture was set as the measuring rod.in which traditions (both big and little T are to be judged) We can have ad nauseum circular arguments as to what is and isn’t in the bible, or what the Roman Catholic church teaches, vs what the non roman Catholic churches teach.

 

[Abu]

batman1973 #150
When Martin Luther reformed the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church

Yes, this really is the insurmountable problem for all outside the Catholic Church – their sects were founded by mere men not the Son of God who taught clearly – an ex-monk feels he can refute the Messiah, by deforming His Church.

Christ established His Church with His authority to teach in His Name:
“The Advocate, the Holy Spirit that the Father will send in My name, He will teach you everything and remind you of all that I told you.” (John 14:26) “But when He comes, the Spirit of truth, He will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming. He will glorify Me, because He will take from what is mine and declare it to you. Everything that the Father has is mine; for this reason I told you that He will take from what is mine and declare it to you.” (John 16:13-15).

Christ historically established His Church on St Peter as His first Vicar, and from the very first there have been heretics and schismatics. Peter performed the first miracle after Pentecost (Acts 3:6-7), inflicted the first punishment upon Ananias and Saphira (Acts 5:1-11), and excommunicated the first heretic Simon the magician (Acts 8:2 1), just as Luther was. Real reform was effected by the Council of Trent. The solid legislation and disciplinary decrees of that Council eradicated the acknowledged abuses such as have occurred from time to time through various dissenters.

 

[Porknpie]

Greg, Do dare say it, and as a catholic I will, the tradition set forth in the church of which I am a member holds that there are 66 books of scripture. As other Lutherans pointed out, the DCs have their place.I myself would have no problem with a bible having 73 (or 81 books, so long as the narrative stays the same.) As for sola fide, and sola scriptura, guess what? Again, I’m going to defer to the tradition of the church. When Martin Luther reformed the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church (of which I am a member of) the 5 solas were established, Sacred Scripture was set as the measuring rod.in which traditions (both big and little T are to be judged) We can have ad nauseum circular arguments as to what is and isn’t in the bible, or what the Roman Catholic church teaches, vs what the non roman Catholic churches teach.

Great Bat that you have no problem with 73! Unity, Jon too. This shows that you do hold to Sacred Tradition as that Tradition led to the 73 books. That’s nearly 2,000 years of use by Christianity and nearly 1,100 years until seven were removed from the bible.