What is the roman catholic position on eastern saints

[aragonjohn1]

I know there is over 10,000 roman catholic saints (at least in butlers lives of the saints and the catholic encyclopedia of saints ) but what about eastern catholic saints ? What is the roman catholic position on them after the schism?

Shalom
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Note: I have only heard of two eastern saints after the schism entered into the canon

 

[Louishacker]

If you are asking about Eastern rite Catholics, then the Roman Catholic Church accepts them all and even celebrates them in the Roman Rite.

 

[aragonjohn1]

If you are asking about Eastern rite Catholics, then the Roman Catholic Church accepts them all and even celebrates them in the Roman Rite.

Eastern orthodox I’m a askin bout I already know about eastern rite catholic saints.

Thanks

Shalom
God bless

 

[ConstantineTG]

Eastern orthodox I’m a askin bout I already know about eastern rite catholic saints.

Thanks

Shalom
God bless

Saints are saints. There is no Catholic heaven separate from Orthodox heaven. Each Church has a right to venerate their own saints. Eastern Catholics venerate Orthodox saints such as St. Gregory Palamas. Pope John Paul II referred to St. Seraphim of Sarov as a saint.

 

[da_nolo]

I know there is over 10,000 roman catholic saints (at least in butlers lives of the saints and the catholic encyclopedia of saints ) but what about eastern catholic saints ? What is the roman catholic position on them after the schism?

Shalom
God bless y’all

Note: I have only heard of two eastern saints after the schism entered into the canon

There is no such thing as ‘Roman’ Catholic. There are “Rites” which are different in the language and various traditions that are expressed, however they are all the same still. still Catholic (Universal).

So no matter what Rite or country you are in or tongue you use, Catholicism is the same in teachings. Saint is a Saint is a Saint.

As for other Christian denominations that are not within unison with the Church, most do not acknowledge Saints as the Church does and therefore will claim we are all saints…some how. Greek Orthodox share the same Saints we do, since they separated from us, however you may find differences after the date they separated. Only the Church may claim a person as a Saint. therefore there is a possibility that Greek Orthodox could have made such a claim after separating from us.

I don’t know their history and could not give an example of who, but that person may not be accepted.

 

[ConstantineTG]

As for other Christian denominations that are not within unison with the Church, most do not acknowledge Saints as the Church does and therefore will claim we are all saints…some how.

This is not true. As I stated in my post,many post-schism Orthodox saints are venerated today in Eastern Catholic Churches.

 

[da_nolo]

This is not true. As I stated in my post,many post-schism Orthodox saints are venerated today in Eastern Catholic Churches.

It is absolutely true since I clearly state “other denominations” which include all protestant and even (for the most part) non-denominational religions. which do in fact try to denounce Sainthood in claiming everyone is a saint, if only they believe. It does in fact, exclude any and all Catholic churches from anywhere.

As for Eastern Catholic, this is just a description of geography w/ some basis for tradition. however, as a whole, the teachings must be the same. apart of that is Sainthood (or so I see it). The Vatican is the only authority for canonization.

you saying Catholics in the east do not acknowledge that? cause Greek orthodox has not been ‘Catholic’ in some time.

 

[ConstantineTG]

It is absolutely true since I clearly state “other denominations” which include all protestant and even (for the most part) non-denominational religions. which do in fact try to denounce Sainthood in claiming everyone is a saint, if only they believe. It does in fact, exclude any and all Catholic churches from anywhere.

As for Eastern Catholic, this is just a description of geography w/ some basis for tradition. however, as a whole, the teachings must be the same. apart of that is Sainthood (or so I see it). The Vatican is the only authority for canonization.

you saying Catholics in the east do not acknowledge that? cause Greek orthodox has not been ‘Catholic’ in some time.

You are not understanding what I am saying. Eastern Orthodox saints are not canonized by the Roman Catholic Church, they are canonized by the respective Eastern Orthodox Churches. St. Gregory of Palamas was never canonized by Rome, neither is St. Seraphim of Sarov. There is a longer list of saints never Canonized by Rome but is venerated by Eastern Catholic Churches.

 

[aragonjohn1]

You are not understanding what I am saying. Eastern Orthodox saints are not canonized by the Roman Catholic Church, they are canonized by the respective Eastern Orthodox Churches. St. Gregory of Palamas was never canonized by Rome, neither is St. Seraphim of Sarov. There is a longer list of saints never Canonized by Rome but is venerated by Eastern Catholic Churches.

Thanks

That helps a lot : )

Shalom
God bless

 

[ConstantineTG]

Thanks

That helps a lot : )

Shalom
God bless

Ultimately we can have private devotions to the Eastern saints if we wish. There is nothing wrong with that. I have been given a gift of an icon St. John Maximovitch of Shanghai and San Francisco, who is a Russian Orthodox saint.

 

[da_nolo]

You are not understanding what I am saying. Eastern Orthodox saints are not canonized by the Roman Catholic Church, they are canonized by the respective Eastern Orthodox Churches. St. Gregory of Palamas was never canonized by Rome, neither is St. Seraphim of Sarov. There is a longer list of saints never Canonized by Rome but is venerated by Eastern Catholic Churches.

You are not understanding what I am saying! there is no ‘Roman’ Catholic. there are no distinct separations from Eastern Catholics or Latin Rite Catholics or the Vatican! The Vatican canonizes persons into Sainthood. If you are not canonized, then you are not a saint. this is again not done by Rome, but the Vatican. they are different.

There is a chance to being a person venerated and suggested or recommended to being a saint, in which that person and all circumstances around that person are researched. The canonization process may take several years, but until that process is complete no person may claim that a single person is - without error or doubt - to being a saint. why? same reason we can’t or should not say someone is undoubtfully in hell. along with the simple fact of authority.

Eastern Catholics do not include all Greek Orthodox Churches. which is why I stated there may be some differences from a certain date IF they still acknowledge the canonization process in some form. However, Eastern Catholic churches refers to communities/churches in commune with the Catholic Church as a whole.

Therefore, in all likelihood, the Saints or people proclaimed as Saints within an Eastern Church is indeed a Saint for the entire Church of Catholicism. Its just that most people have a closer connection to Saints closer to home. so you might not hear about those from Eastern Europe or Asia, while hearing more about Saints from western europe or the americas

 

[ConstantineTG]

You are not understanding what I am saying! there is no ‘Roman’ Catholic. there are no distinct separations from Eastern Catholics or Latin Rite Catholics or the Vatican! The Vatican canonizes persons into Sainthood. If you are not canonized, then you are not a saint. this is again not done by Rome, but the Vatican. they are different.

I understand what you are saying. The Eastern Orthodox are not Catholic. This is what you are not getting. St. Gregory Palamas was never canonized by Rome/Vatican/Pope/heir of St. Peter/whatever you want to call them. The veneration by Eastern Catholic Church never came from any canonization by anyone Catholic, not even a Catholic layman. Those Eastern saints are canonized by the Eastern Orthodox Church, you know, those who are NOT in communion with Rome/Pope/Vatican/etc.

There is a chance to being a person venerated and suggested or recommended to being a saint, in which that person and all circumstances around that person are researched. The canonization process may take several years, but until that process is complete no person may claim that a single person is - without error or doubt - to being a saint. why? same reason we can’t or should not say someone is undoubtfully in hell. along with the simple fact of authority.

Eastern Catholics do not include all Greek Orthodox Churches. which is why I stated there may be some differences from a certain date IF they still acknowledge the canonization process in some form. However, Eastern Catholic churches refers to communities/churches in commune with the Catholic Church as a whole.

Therefore, in all likelihood, the Saints or people proclaimed as Saints within an Eastern Church is indeed a Saint for the entire Church of Catholicism. Its just that most people have a closer connection to Saints closer to home. so you might not hear about those from Eastern Europe or Asia, while hearing more about Saints from western europe or the americas

No they are not. That is why I am saying you are not understanding what I am saying. The saints I named are saints canonized by the Orthodox AFTER the schism. Which means they are not Catholic and are not in any way in communion with Rome/Vatican/Pope/etc.

 

[da_nolo]

I understand what you are saying. The Eastern Orthodox are not Catholic. This is what you are not getting. St. Gregory Palamas was never canonized by Rome/Vatican/Pope/heir of St. Peter/whatever you want to call them. The veneration by Eastern Catholic Church never came from any canonization by anyone Catholic, not even a Catholic layman. Those Eastern saints are canonized by the Eastern Orthodox Church, you know, those who are NOT in communion with Rome/Pope/Vatican/etc.

If they are not in commune, then they are not Catholic. that is why they are refer to as Greek Orthodox. I have a church in my town. I go to their festivals. they do not refer to themselves as Catholic, and are not referred to as Catholic by the Vatican, until we are in commune that will always be.

Eastern Churches, East Catholic Churches, what ever. must only refer to Churches within the east (of Asia) that are in commune. otherwise there is no common line or description to who is who. otherwise you might as well refer protestant churches as catholic as well.

No they are not. That is why I am saying you are not understanding what I am saying. The saints I named are saints canonized by the Orthodox AFTER the schism. Which means** they are not Catholic** and are not in any way in communion with Rome/Vatican/Pope/etc.

Greek Orthodox Churches. which is why I stated there may be some differences from a certain date (AFTER the schism) IF they still acknowledge the canonization process in some form

I did not have the date nor remembered the correct word to describe the dates in which there was the separation. however I did clearly state that Greek Orthodox did separate from commune.

Greek Orthodox share the same Saints we do, since they separated from us, however you may find differences after the date they separated.

In which case, as a Catholic, it would make sense that we should not acknowledge them as Saints. UNLESS the Vatican has some part in their Sainthood and acknowledge it as so. If you wish to study them, and learn from them. that is fine. I personally see no problem in that and have not read nor heard any refute to it.

 

[ConstantineTG]

If they are not in commune, then they are not Catholic. that is why they are refer to as Greek Orthodox. I have a church in my town. I go to their festivals. they do not refer to themselves as Catholic, and are not referred to as Catholic by the Vatican, until we are in commune that will always be.

There are many Orthodox Churches other than the Greek Orthodox. To lump them together as just Greek Orthodox is wrong on so many levels.

Eastern Churches, East Catholic Churches, what ever. must only refer to Churches within the east (of Asia) that are in commune. otherwise there is no common line or description to who is who. otherwise you might as well refer protestant churches as catholic as well.

And this post again is wrong on so many levels. The Eastern Churches are found on the Eastern half of the Roman Empire. They are still in Europe. The homeland of Orthodox Churches today are in Greece, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Romania, Hungary, etc. Only a small portion are in Asia like Antioch which is in modern day Lebanon. And Alexandria which is in Egypt.

I did not have the date nor remembered the correct word to describe the dates in which there was the separation. however I did clearly state that Greek Orthodox did separate from commune.

And I did say that the Orthodox are the ones who canonized those saints that are venerated by Catholics.

In which case, as a Catholic, it would make sense that we should not acknowledge them as Saints. UNLESS the Vatican has some part in their Sainthood and acknowledge it as so. If you wish to study them, and learn from them. that is fine. I personally see no problem in that and have not read nor heard any refute to it.

We do acknowledge them as saints and venerate them even though the Vatican has no part at all in their sainthood.

 

[da_nolo]

We do acknowledge them as saints and venerate them even though the Vatican has no part at all in their sainthood.

catholic.com/quickquestions/how-can-eastern-orthodoxy-have-saints-if-it-has-no-pope

“sainthood…not recognized” is key to the above.

There are many Orthodox Churches other than the Greek Orthodox. To lump them together as just Greek Orthodox is wrong on so many levels.

And this post again is wrong on so many levels. The Eastern Churches are found on the Eastern half of the Roman Empire. They are still in Europe. The homeland of Orthodox Churches today are in Greece, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Romania, Hungary, etc. Only a small portion are in Asia like Antioch which is in modern day Lebanon. And Alexandria which is in Egypt.

1. Egypt is Africa.
2. I stated eastern erupe
3. russia is in asia.
4. If it is not one then it is Eastern Orthodox and the use of the word catholic is not present.

5.Catholic churches in the east (eastern Europe, Asia) are still catholic and not associated with the orthodox church. there is a good relationship between us, however there is still a strict separation.

newadvent.org/cathen/05230a.htm

 

[ConstantineTG]

catholic.com/quickquestions/how-can-eastern-orthodoxy-have-saints-if-it-has-no-pope

“sainthood…not recognized” is key to the above.

As an Eastern Catholic, I can guarantee you 1000% that their sainthood is recognized.

1. Egypt is Africa.
2. I stated eastern erupe
3. russia is in asia.
4. If it is not one then it is Eastern Orthodox and the use of the word catholic is not present.

5.Catholic churches in the east (eastern Europe, Asia) are still catholic and not associated with the orthodox church. there is a good relationship between us, however there is still a strict separation.

newadvent.org/cathen/05230a.htm

Russia is in Europe. Most of Russia that is in Asia isn’t as significant as the Russia that is in Europe. Russia considers itself a European country as much as Turkey, also located on the Asia-Europe divide, mostly considers itself a part of Asia but you will also hear some reference to itself as a European country which is a legitimate claim since a significant part of the country is actually in Europe.

 

[aragonjohn1]

Thank y’all this has helped my understanding a lot

Shalom
God bless y’all

 

[lssanjose]

Someone needs to get educated on the Eastern churches, ConstantineG, very badly…

By the way Orthodoxy calls herself holy, catholic, and apostolic, da_nolo. There’s a difference between catholic, and Catholic. The latter was once a degenerative.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Someone needs to get educated on the Eastern churches, ConstantineG, very badly…

Nothing to get upset about, most RCs don’t know anything about the Eastern Churches anyway. Those who know should, in charity, instruct those who don’t.

 

[Crescentinus]

Nothing to get upset about, most RCs don’t know anything about the Eastern Churches anyway. Those who know should, in charity, instruct those who don’t.