What is the Scriptural Basis for Islam's Belief in Jesus as the Messiah?

[Sepheron]

In other words, why does Islam believe that Jesus is the Messiah? And why does it NOT believe He is the Son of G-d?

Watch this video: youtube.com/watch?v=gDGSV5ITGDk
Let it be noted though that the man in this video, Dr. Zakir Naik is an incredibly hated and frowned upon figure by people of every religion and nation, particularly because of his comments in support of Osama Bin Laden and Yazeed, everything he says in this video is true. Again, I hate quoting him, but he does in this particular video speak precisely.

I believe they think that the Scripture we adhere to (both Old and New Testament) were corrupted and tainted. So if you go to a Muslim and say, “I don’t see where [insert Muslim belief] in either part of the Christian Bible,” they can easily reply “That’s because it is tainted - the Qu’ran is the true, uncorrupted religious text.” In my opinion, that begs the question.

Well I may be biased here, but can you honestly with full confidence say that the bible isn’t tainted or corrupt given the fact that Christians themselves admit the bible contains many contradictions and errors? How can a book that an entire religion is based on, contain such large contradictions?

I’m aware Islam does not equate Jesus with G-d, but I was wondering whether Jesus is thought to have certain extra-human or divine characteristics, similar to those of angels.

Most definitely so. We do believe in most of His biblical miracles, such as his ability to heal, give eyesight to the blind, and resurrect the dead. As a Shia Muslim, we do believe that Imam Ali also had such divine characteristics.

Is Jesus regarded as a lesser Prophet even at the time of His Second Coming when He is supposed to proclaim the Truth of Islam? And what else is Jesus supposed to do at that time?

This is a very good question. First, just know that I’m only 18 years old, and I can only speak based on what I’ve heard priests talk about all my life, and I don’t know much scripture, so I’m sure how well I could answer your questions. I don’t know if you could say that Jesus is regarded as a lesser prophet in Islam, though he is definitely regarded differently. One thing, though, that I’ve always heard is that Jesus will come back on the day of Judgement alongside the Mahdi. I’ve never heard anything of Mohammed coming back on that day. I can tell you one thing though, that in Shia Islam, one of the reasons we regard Mohammed so high is simply because of the fact that he is one of the five infallibles, and we regard all five of them to be above most beings.

Finally, where does the idea of the anti-Christ–whom the Jews are prophesied to accept as the Messiah according to Islamic teaching–come from in Islam?

I don’t know where the idea comes from, but I can tell you with full certainty that there is definitely the concept of the antichrist, known in Islam as ‘Kana Dajjal’. And I don’t think the Jews are the only ones prophesied to accept him as the Messiah, I think it’s believed that most of the world, including many Muslims will also be deceived by him.

 

[Ginger2]

…we believe that the Jews lied and fabricated lies on the mouth of Allah Almighty when they said that He, the Almighty, does not consider Ishmael to be Abraham’s real and biological son.

But the Jews acknowledge Ishmael is Abraham’s biological son and that he was born before Isaac. They also acknowledge God promised to make Ishmael a great nation - which He has!

However, Ishmael is not the subject of God’s promise concerning the son to be born to Abraham and Sarah - that is where the confusion lies.

Isaac is the subject of that promise as the promise was made that Sarah would give birth to this child.

That is why it cannot be Ishmael - because Hagar is Ishmael’s mother, not Sarah.

 

[Ginger2]

…can you honestly with full confidence say that the bible isn’t tainted or corrupt given the fact that Christians themselves admit the bible contains many contradictions and errors? …

Christians believe the Bible is free from error as it was originally written. It is the translations that fail and create confusion.

The only “christians” who claim the Bible contains errors are those who reject the Word of God. They don’t like what God has commanded and therefore deny it.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

But the Jews acknowledge Ishmael is AbrHam’s biological son and that he was born before Isaac. They also acknowledge God promised to make Ishmael a great nation - which He has!

However, Ishmael is not the subject of God’s promise concerning the son to be born to Abraham and Sarah - that is where the confusion lies.

Isaac is the subject of that promise as the promise was made that Sarah would give birth to this child.

That is why it cannot be Ishmael - because Hagar is Ishmael’s mother, not Sarah.

Where does it say that Isaac will be the forerunner of Christ in the bible? Please quote chapter and verse.

 

[Ginger2]

Where does it say that Isaac will be the forerunner of Christ in the bible? Please quote chapter and verse.

I am sorry, I don’t believe I said Isaac is the “forerunner to Christ” I said Isaac is the son promised to Abraham and Sarah and since Ishmael is Hagar’s son, Ishmael cannot be the heir of that particular promise.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

I am sorry, I don’t believe I said Isaac is the “forerunner to Christ” I said Isaac is the son promised to Abraham and Sarah and since Ishmael is Hagar’s son, Ishmael cannot be the heir of that particular promise.

what is the promise?

 

[Ginger2]

what is the promise?

Genesis 17:17 Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, “Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?” 18 And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!”

19 Then God said, “Yes, **but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac.[d] I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. **20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. **21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.” **22 When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.

Ginger

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Genesis 17:17 Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, “Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?” 18 And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!”

19 Then God said, “Yes, **but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac.[d] I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. **20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. **21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.” **22 When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.

Ginger

So what does that mean exactly? Especially to a gentile?

 

[Ginger2]

So what does that mean exactly? Especially to a gentile?

I am puzzled as to why you are asking, but the promise is given to the Jews, not the gentiles.

The Jews are the heirs of the promise. The gentiles are adopted later as spoken of in John 1, which states all who belive on the name of Jesus have been given the right to become children of God.

 

[schaick]

Watch this video: youtube.com/watch?v=gDGSV5ITGDk
Let it be noted though that the man in this video, Dr. Zakir Naik is an incredibly hated and frowned upon figure by people of every religion and nation, particularly because of his comments in support of Osama Bin Laden and Yazeed, everything he says in this video is true. Again, I hate quoting him, but he does in this particular video speak precisely.

The problem Muslims have - this support of Naik for violent Muslims can be found straight out of the Quran!!

Well I may be biased here, but can you honestly with full confidence say that the bible isn’t tainted or corrupt given the fact that Christians themselves admit the bible contains many contradictions and errors? How can a book that an entire religion is based on, contain such large contradictions?

How can any Muslim say this when the Bible is confirmed in the Quran. Do you feel safe going against allah’s word? You are calling allah a liar.

Those Christians don’t understand that the supposed contradictions can all be explained. They should not be considered contradictions but further information. Which is amazing considering the Books that make up the Bible are written by **different people, different eyewitnesses to the events, different perspectives. **

Yet there are contradictions in the Quran and you have only Mohammad a self proclaimed prophet = no eyewitness to hearing or seeing the angel give Mohammad a revelation. How/why did he as a single prophet contradict himself?

Most definitely so. We do believe in most of His biblical miracles, such as his ability to heal, give eyesight to the blind, and resurrect the dead. As a Shia Muslim, we do believe that Imam Ali also had such divine characteristics.

This is a very good question. First, just know that I’m only 18 years old, and I can only speak based on what I’ve heard priests talk about all my life, and I don’t know much scripture, so I’m sure how well I could answer your questions. I don’t know if you could say that Jesus is regarded as a lesser prophet in Islam, though he is definitely regarded differently. One thing, though, that I’ve always heard is that Jesus will come back on the day of Judgement alongside the Mahdi. I’ve never heard anything of Mohammed coming back on that day. I can tell you one thing though, that in Shia Islam, one of the reasons we regard Mohammed so high is simply because of the fact that he is one of the five infallibles, and we regard all five of them to be above most beings.

Which makes no sense because if you compare the things said about Jesus to the things said about Moahammad- Jesus is the one to follow.

‘Kalimatullah’ – ‘The Word of God’ (Surah 4:171; cf. Revelation 19:13 & John 1).

‘Ruhullah’ – ‘A Spirit from God’ (Surah 4:171).

The virgin birth (Surah 19:16-22) It is a greater miracle than when the first humans were created - not created from clay or dust or whatever-there is a contradiction as to what man was created from- Jesus created from nothing but GOD’s Word.

Only Jesus is sinlessness (Surah 19:19) The Quran speaks about the sins of other prophets: Adam (7:22-23), Abraham (Surah 26:82), Moses (Surah 28:16), Jonah (Surah 37:142), even Muhammad (Surah 47:19).

His ascension into heaven (Surah 4:158)

His second coming (Surah 43:61)

Mohammad not strengthened in this way- “We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit”

 

[sedonaman]

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How can any Muslim say this when the Bible is confirmed in the Quran. …

Yes. That is the topic of this analysis biblestudying.net/islam1.html which concludes that since Islam uses Judeo-Christian scriptures as proof of its truth and at the same time claims those scriptures are “corrupt”, Islam must be rejected because scriptures in error cannot produce truth.

[Note: The analysis is long because of the numerous references. You can skip over the references and still get the essence of it and go back later and check them if you so desire.]

 

[CHRISTINE77]

I am puzzled as to why you are asking, but the promise is given to the Jews, not the gentiles.

The Jews are the heirs of the promise. The gentiles are adopted later as spoken of in John 1, which states all who belive on the name of Jesus have been given the right to become children of God.

Yes, but Muslims pray to the same God as Christians and Jews.

Does this mean that Muslims will not inherit the Kingdom of God? I don’t think so.

God loves all his children. Muslims are children of God too.

 

[sedonaman]

Yes, but Muslims pray to the same God as Christians and Jews. …

catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/islam/worship.htm.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/islam/worship.htm.

why don’t you just answer instead this? Also, where is this from? Why would Muslims care about what the Jewish Old Testament said about Ishmael and Isaac if He isn’t the same God?

 

[sedonaman]

why don’t you just answer instead this?

I don’t know what you are asking here.

Also, where is this from?

I don’t think you read it.

Why would Muslims care about what the Jewish Old Testament said about Ishmael and Isaac if He isn’t the same God?

If He’s the same God, why did they have to invent a completely new religion? [Not that I agree that it is a religion.]

 

[CHRISTINE77]

I don’t know what you are asking here.

I don’t think you read it.

If He’s the same God, why did they have to invent a completely new religion? [Not that I agree that it is a religion.]

Where is it from? What is the source of this article?

You sound like you are very hateful of Muslims.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

this is from the Catechim of the Catholic Church:

"841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

Here is my source:
scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm

 

[sedonaman]

Where is it from? What is the source of this article?

You sound like you are very hateful of Muslims.

You apparently don’t know the difference between Muslims and Islam.

There is an old joke about the gossip columnist who answered a reader’s question, “Does actress So-And-So have any talent?”, by responding with, “She loves her mother.” There is a similar non-sequitur with many non-Muslims who think, “I know some Muslims who are nice; therefore, Islam is good.” Put another way, there are some Christians who are bad. Does that make Christianity bad? I have been in this type of discussion before, and every one of them ends up the same way when someone uses “Muslims” and “Islam” interchangeably.

You made a statement that I disagreed with, and I posted an explanation with plenty of references. You countered, not with a reasoned argument supporting your position or showing why my reference is wrong, but with an ad hominem attack. This is an admission that you have lost the argument, so I consider this discussion over. :tiphat:

 

[schaick]

You apparently don’t know the difference between Muslims and Islam.

There is an old joke about the gossip columnist who answered a reader’s question, “Does actress So-And-So have any talent?”, by responding with, “She loves her mother.” There is a similar non-sequitur with many non-Muslims who think, “I know some Muslims who are nice; therefore, Islam is good.” Put another way, there are some Christians who are bad. Does that make Christianity bad? I have been in this type of discussion before, and every one of them ends up the same way when someone uses “Muslims” and “Islam” interchangeably.

You made a statement that I disagreed with, and I posted an explanation with plenty of references. You countered, not with a reasoned argument supporting your position or showing why my reference is wrong, but with an ad hominem attack. This is an admission that you have lost the argument, so I consider this discussion over. :tiphat:

I am afraid not many people understand. I for one pray and love Muslims but I hate Islam. Yes there are Muslims that are very good kind and loving people.

Are they following Mohammad and the Quran correctly? Or is it the suicide bomber that is following the Quran to the fullest?

People need to know that the only sure way a Muslims can enter paradise is by fighting and killing for allah. People need to know about sharia law it is all about barbaric punishments and inequality for woman and non-muslims.

Yes there have been bad people that are Christians-but** they are not following the teachings of Jesus or the Gospel.**

The bad people that are Muslims are following Mohammad and the Quran.

 

[schaick]

Yes, but Muslims pray to the same God as Christians and Jews.

Does this mean that Muslims will not inherit the Kingdom of God? I don’t think so.

God loves all his children. Muslims are children of God too.

Muslims pray to a god that says to beat their wives if they disobey them.

Muslims pray to a god that promise the only sure way to paradise is to fight and kill for him.

Muslims pray to a god that denies the crucifixion of Christ.

Muslims pray to a god that schemed and faked Jesus’ resurrection.