What IS the True Church?

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Why not? 🤷 It’s in the Bible.
Please try to understand that we Protestants really, sincerely do not believe that Jesus meant for us all to be Catholic in your use of the word. Make it a lower case ā€˜c’, and we can agree.
 
Please try to understand that we Protestants really, sincerely do not believe that Jesus meant for us all to be Catholic in your use of the word. Make it a lower case ā€˜c’, and we can agree.
In fact, the lower case ā€œcā€ is what is meant by THE church. The catholic church is actually the Roman Catholic church name proper. Catholic is actually an adjective describing the church Christ founded as being universal. Proper names had absolutely nothing to do with it in Christ’s time. That is what the Bible says.
 
Since Protestants, and the like, deny the Catholic Church outright, then which Church, if any, is correct?
I think none are 100% correct. I realize that makes me an outsider here because the Catholics here are convinced that they are the only correct ones. I do not for an instant believe that. But I do believe that we are all making an attempt, and maybe someday we will all get together. But that isn’t in the near future, if ever.

I have never belonged to a Protestant church that considered itself to be the correct church. That aspect of Catholicism is very foreign to me, and it is very distasteful.
 
I do not believe that.
**Well, golly - JESUS **thought it was important and that’s good enough for ME:

John 17:20-23
"I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, so that they may all be ONE
, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.
And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be ONE, as we are ONE, I in them and you in me, that they may be brought to perfection as ONE, that the world may know that you sent me, and that you loved them even as you loved me.
NAMESAKE, did you miss the above post. As protestant for most of my life, I loved God but knew nothing of the beliefs of the catholic church. If I had left this world back then, I might have made it to heaven or purgatory. After decades of study of the Bible and realizing I could not find a protestant church that went along with the teachings, God blessed me with EWTN, and I began to learn what the catholic church taught. You might want to read about the early church fathers anything on the first few hundred years of the church. With what I’ve learned it would be a sin for me not to be catholic. As a protestant and not much on history, I did not and was never told that the catholic church gave us the Bible. I guess that is something they did not wish to discuss. May God lead you to the truth. God Bless.
 
I think none are 100% correct. I realize that makes me an outsider here because the Catholics here are convinced that they are the only correct ones. I do not for an instant believe that. But I do believe that we are all making an attempt, and maybe someday we will all get together. But that isn’t in the near future, if ever.

I have never belonged to a Protestant church that considered itself to be the correct church. That aspect of Catholicism is very foreign to me, and it is very distasteful.
I am an ex-cradle Catholic turned Protestant a few years ago. I studied the Catholic faith indepthly until I finally just could not get around the fact that the Catholic church is many man made schemes mixed together with Scripture and tradition to confuse folks into feeling and believing that the church is justified in all that it does. I had to look at the hard facts that Scripture pointed out that just didn’t parallel with the Catholic faith.
 
NAMESAKE, did you miss the above post. As protestant for most of my life, I loved God but knew nothing of the beliefs of the catholic church. If I had left this world back then, I might have made it to heaven or purgatory. After decades of study of the Bible and realizing I could not find a protestant church that went along with the teachings, God blessed me with EWTN, and I began to learn what the catholic church taught. You might want to read about the early church fathers anything on the first few hundred years of the church. With what I’ve learned it would be a sin for me not to be catholic. As a protestant and not much on history, I did not and was never told that the catholic church gave us the Bible. I guess that is something they did not wish to discuss. May God lead you to the truth. God Bless.
As many here have done, you have assumed that I have not studied enough. That is an error on your part. I have assiduously studied and have concluded by the representation on this web site that Catholicism is false. The people here are not good stewards of the Catholic church. The Catholic dogma, doctrines, traditions, are not reasonable within Christian thought.

But I will still listen.
 
I talk to Protestants who do not even believe what their denomination teaches. It makes me question why they attend that church.
It’s sad, but true. Unfortunately, the same could be said for many Catholics, who don’t know what the Church teaches, don’t know why they believe what they believe, or go against what the Church teaches yet still partake in holy communion. More and more Christians are seeing religion as a personal thing, creating a large disconnect between themselves and the body of Christ.

-Mark
 
It’s sad, but true. Unfortunately, the same could be said for many Catholics, who don’t know what the Church teaches, don’t know why they believe what they believe, or go against what the Church teaches yet still partake in holy communion. More and more Christians are seeing religion as a personal thing, creating a large disconnect between themselves and the body of Christ.

-Mark
Just yesterday I spoke about this with one of my employees. She said that she goes to Mass occasionally, receives the Eucharist occasionally, and hasn’t gone to confession for a very long time. That isn’t an unusual thing in the population that I encounter.

My brother-in-law told me to 'just come to church and take communion regardless of my status as a Protestant. He goes to Mass sometimes and receives the Eucharist whenever he feels like it and never goes to confession. He told me that it is no big deal, ā€œjust come to church and it will be fineā€.

I am more respectful than that. I respect the Catholic church enough to not make a mockery of her sacraments. But many Catholics that I know do not respect the Church as much as I, a Protestant do.

Same stuff goes on in Protestant churches too. It’s just not as easy to identify because Protestants don’t have as many rules to adhere to.
 
I am an ex-cradle Catholic turned Protestant a few years ago. I studied the Catholic faith indepthly until I finally just could not get around the fact that the Catholic church is many man made schemes mixed together with Scripture and tradition to confuse folks into feeling and believing that the church is justified in all that it does. I had to look at the hard facts that Scripture pointed out that just didn’t parallel with the Catholic faith.
Forgive me SIA, I humbly stand to differ, the teachings of the Catholic Church are not man made. The doctrines and teachings of the Catholic faith come from Jesus himself and the apostles. The Tradition comes from the apostles themselves, your dissagreement is with Jesus and the apostles Christianity, that Christ instituted the universal (Catholic) Church. I dont want to disagree with your Catholic formation as a Catholic. As far as Scripture is concerned the Catholic Church authorized and gave us the bible that you believe in, why would the Catholic Church teach something contrary to the bible that she (Catholic Church) approved?

praying for wisdom
 
Just yesterday I spoke about this with one of my employees. She said that she goes to Mass occasionally, receives the Eucharist occasionally, and hasn’t gone to confession for a very long time. That isn’t an unusual thing in the population that I encounter.
My girlfriend hasn’t gone to confession since she was confirmed almost 10 years ago. She says she ā€œhasn’t done anything too badā€ since then. 🤷 She gets mad when I try to explain to her what the Catechism says. Maybe she just asks God for forgiveness and lets sleeping dogs lie.

-Mark
 
Forgive me SIA, I humbly stand to differ, the teachings of the Catholic Church are not man made. The doctrines and teachings of the Catholic faith come from Jesus himself and the apostles. The Tradition comes from the apostles themselves, your dissagreement is with Jesus and the apostles Christianity, that Christ instituted the universal (Catholic) Church. I dont want to disagree with your Catholic formation as a Catholic. As far as Scripture is concerned the Catholic Church authorized and gave us the bible that you believe in, why would the Catholic Church teach something contrary to the bible that she (Catholic Church) approved?

praying for wisdom
I think the teachings of the Catholic church are man made. That’s why I am a protestant.
 
As many here have done, you have assumed that I have not studied enough. That is an error on your part. I have assiduously studied and have concluded by the representation on this web site that Catholicism is false. The people here are not good stewards of the Catholic church. The Catholic dogma, doctrines, traditions, are not reasonable within Christian thought.

But I will still listen.
Namesake, thank goodness for your patience, I would encourage you to keep listening, I believe your accusations are premature at this time, the reasonable thought of Christianity is found in those Christians who have given their life and testimony for the Gospel. If you check your history you will find they all followed and taught us the Catholic faith of which you are a part of.

good things come to those who are patient
 
Namesake, thank goodness for your patience, I would encourage you to keep listening, I believe your accusations are premature at this time, the reasonable thought of Christianity is found in those Christians who have given their life and testimony for the Gospel. If you check your history you will find they all followed and taught us the Catholic faith of which you are a part of.

good things come to those who are patient
That is a very gracious reply, and I am unworthy of your praise. Thank you for your kindness. More of that kind of response would be welcome and certainly more inviting than the harsh rhetoric that is so common here.

Blessing upon you, may the peace of God be with you always
 
I think the teachings of the Catholic church are man made. That’s why I am a protestant.
To be Protestant? what is it that you protest? I am curious, do you know the name of the person who founded your protestantism since the 16th century?

May the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you šŸ™‚
 
To be Protestant? what is it that you protest? I am curious, do you know the name of the person who founded your protestantism since the 16th century?
Not for sure. I was raised Methodist, very strict. My posting name derives from my great grandfather for whom I was named. He was a Methodist Bishop. He was a hell fire and brimstone preacher of the very old school. So maybe the Wesley brothers?

I was a Presbyterian for a while and that didn’t work. But I did study Calvin a lot in college.

I was never influenced much by the main reformation clerics, if that is what you are alluding to.

I protest a whole lot about the RCC, but I respect you too much to delineate that right now.

Suffice it to say that I reject totally that the RCC is the one true church. Total rejection 100%!
 
I have never belonged to a Protestant church that considered itself to be the correct church.
Why in the - never mind what - would you belong to an organization that doesn’t claim to be Christ’s Church, if your goal is to follow Christ? :whacky:
 
I think the teachings of the Catholic church are man made. That’s why I am a protestant.
:confused:

If the teachings of the Catholic Church are man-made, then the teachings of your Protestant church, (which are whatever sub-set of the teachings of the Catholic Church that that particular denomination took with them when they split), are also man-made, and not only that, they are incomplete, as well.

It’s kind of like saying, ā€œThe Last Supper by Leonardo da Vinci is man-made and not inspired by God; therefore I will cut a piece out of it and hang that small piece on my wall, instead of the whole thing.ā€ 🤷
 
What do Catholics here believe happens to Protestants in the afterlife, do they have to go to Purgatory and accept Catholicism there?
If they do choose God at their end, but hang onto some ā€œvenial anti-Catholicismā€, which describes I don’t know what, then they will BE in purgatory being purified of their veniality, in a state of discomforture directly proportional to how hard they are ā€œhanging-ontoā€ their veniality.

The only possible way that one could be ā€œexcusedā€ of the sin of rejecting the Body of Christ, such that ā€œitā€ is a venial as opposed to a mortal sin, is if one truly didn’t understand why they had done that.

They wouldn’t be ā€œCONVERTED to Catholicismā€ in purgatory! They would simply find that, while uncomfortable, it is correct to accept the truth of the Body of Christ as the Church understands it and bear the ā€œheatā€ of the removal of their former rejection.
 
As many here have done, you have assumed that I have not studied enough. That is an error on your part. I have assiduously studied and have concluded by the representation on this web site that Catholicism is false. The people here are not good stewards of the Catholic church. The Catholic dogma, doctrines, traditions, are not reasonable within Christian thought.

But I will still listen.
So, you reject the Church because of the actions of people?

That is very normal behavior. It is also judging the perfection of a peach by the smell of garlic.

Judge the Church as the Church, which means go to the doctrines of the Church and find those things which seem wrong to you about them, and then have many people explain why they are not wrong.

I’m not fooling myself that I could in any way ā€œconvertā€ you. You are a severe hardcase, who has a vested interest in not being converted.

You have proven, time and again, to me, that your ā€œstudyā€ of the Church is directed entirely toward debunking the Church and in no way to understand it.

That is fine. I really don’t mind your attacks, as they give us innumerable opportunities to draw those distinctions between us which detail our respective intentions.

I look forward to your presence here, as a good knife appreciates a good, or even mediocre, whetstone.
 
I think the teachings of the Catholic church are man made. That’s why I am a protestant.
You are protestant because you prefer your comforts to truth.

Since ANY church, aka denomination, is by your definition ā€œman madeā€, they are all equally ā€œbogusā€.

Why bother with any of them?
 
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