What is the view of Eastern orthodox and eastern catholics on the latin rosary?

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Psalm 118:
“15 Shouts of joy and victory
resound in the tents of the righteous:
“The Lord’s right hand has done mighty things!
16 The Lord’s right hand is lifted high;
the Lord’s right hand has done mighty things!”
17 I will not die but live,
and will proclaim what the Lord has done.”
In the Scripture of Luke Virgin Mary says to Elisabeth similar things:
“My soul glorifies the Lord
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
48 for he has been mindful
of the humble state of his servant.
From now on all generations will call me blessed,
49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me—
holy is his name.
Why the same phrase of victory versus the enemy if she herself has not been tempted by the snake too and had to struggle with him?
 
Mary888 said:
Psalm 118:

"15 Shouts of joy and victory

resound in the tents of the righteous:

“The Lord’s right hand has done mighty things!

16 The Lord’s right hand is lifted high;

the Lord’s right hand has done mighty things!”

17 I will not die but live,

and will proclaim what the Lord has done."

In the Scripture of Luke Virgin Mary says to Elisabeth similar things:

“My soul glorifies the Lord

47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,

48 for he has been mindful

of the humble state of his servant.

From now on all generations will call me blessed,

49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me—

holy is his name.

Why the same phrase of victory versus the enemy if she herself has not been tempted by the snake too and had to struggle with him?
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I’m not sure how to refute this differently, so I’ll just restate my previous post.
babochka said:
I think that you misunderstand the concept of the Immaculate Conception. Nowhere does the Catholic Church teach that Mary never had to struggle with temptation, that she never had a choice. She, like Eve before her, was conceived in a state of original innocence. Unlike Eve, she never fell into sin. The dogma of the Immaculate Conception is simply the answer to a question the Eastern Church never needed to ask, because of the divergent concepts of original/ancestral sin.

The East and the West believe the same thing about our Blessed Mother - she was all-holy, immaculate and the Mother of God.
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St. Seraphim of Sarov was quite fond of the Rosary

The Rosary is fully compatible with Eastern Christian spirituality - the only difference is us Eastern Christians don’t meditate on the mysteries while praying it. We simply announce the mystery and say the prayers. Imagining or meditating on events in the life of Christ and Mary is a foreign idea to Eastern Christian spirituality.
 
Prayer ropes are commonly called “chotkis” in the Slavic traditions and “komboskinis” in the Grecian traditions.

It is common to use a chotki and pray the Jesus Prayer on each knot - “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, the sinner, amen.”
 
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The Ukrainian Catholic Church I attend is called “Protection of the Blessed Virgin Mary”, and the Rosary is routinely prayed before Divine Liturgies while the Priest is hearing Confessions and preparing to celebrate the Sacred Mysteries.
 
XXI_4 said:
But it is not used by the Orthodox.
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That’s not entirely accurate.

When I was a Russian Orthodox Catechumen, my spiritual Father, a very holy RO Priest, explicitly gave me instructions to pray the Rosary with two small caveats - use the RO version of the Nicene Creed, and do not use imagination for the Mysteries, just pray the prayers from the heart.

There most certainly are Eastern Orthodox Catholic Christians who pray the Rosary, just as there most certainly are Roman Catholic Christians who pray the Jesus prayer on a Chotki.
 
Spyridon said:
The Ukrainian Catholic Church I attend is called “Protection of the Blessed Virgin Mary”, and the Rosary is routinely prayed before Divine Liturgies while the Priest is hearing Confessions and preparing to celebrate the Sacred Mysteries.
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I think that’s fine, as long as they pray the hours, too.
 
They don’t do it officially, there’s no Priest or Deacon leading it. It’s a small group of lay women who pray it.
 
Spyridon said:
That’s not entirely accurate.

When I was a Russian Orthodox Catechumen, my spiritual Father, a very holy RO Priest, explicitly gave me instructions to pray the Rosary with two small caveats - use the RO version of the Nicene Creed, and do not use imagination for the Mysteries, just pray the prayers from the heart.

There most certainly are Eastern Orthodox Catholic Christians who pray the Rosary, just as there most certainly are Roman Catholic Christians who pray the Jesus prayer on a Chotki.
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That’s very interesting! Thank you for the information.

Not to go off on a tangent, but can you recommend a good book on the Jesus Prayer and using a chotki? I have The Way of a Pilgrim already, but wondered what other books may be useful.
 
@XXI_4

I also just remembered a great book my Father had me read, called “Beginning to Pray” by Anthony Bloom (Metropolitan Anthony of Sourozh+). I strongly suggest this as well as the Philokalia and Way of the Pilgrim.

 
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Spyridon said:
I also just remembered a great book my Father had me read, called “Beginning to Pray” by Anthony Bloom (Metropolitan Anthony of Sourozh+). I strongly suggest this as well as the Philokalia and Way of the Pilgrim.
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I have Beginning to Pray also! I read it about a year ago and actually started rereading it yesterday.

I’ve always been a bit intimidated by the Philokalia for some reason, but I will pick up a copy and add it to my reading list. I see it’s the +Ware translation. On a side note, I just love listening to him speak on prayer. He’s a wonderful speaker.
 
The Philokalia is no more intimidating than the Catechism or even the Bible itself.

Take it slow and easy. And preferably have a good solid spiritual director guide you simultaneously while reading the Philokalia.
 
This is one of my favorite books. I have it in print and on audible.
 
Miguel25 said:
Brethern but they look at us as if we worship mary?
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Speaking only from the Byzantine Rite perspective (Eastern Orthodox), there is no way they could accuse Latins of worshiping Mary without being extremely hypocritical. The praises given to Mary in the Divine Liturgy itself are equal or greater than anything Latins are accustomed to saying about her, and this is just the standard Liturgy (like the Mass). The extra-liturgical prayers and devotions to Mary would make St. Louis de Montfort blush. 😁

Just an example from this thread, one of the major concerns about the Immaculate Conception is that it diminishes the Holiness of Mary. It is based on a misconception of the Latin terms and theology, but this should give some perspective about the level to which Mary is elevated.
 
The original sin comes the mother, daughter of Eve. If Virgin Mary was conceived without sin this means St.Anna had no original sin, and Anna’s mother too and this trail leads back to Eve who had to have no sin since she passed nothing through and this is against the truth of the Bible. So Virgin Mary conquered the original sin after her birth so she could give birth to the Son of God. Even the Church teaching say that her victory was complete only after she gave birth to Jesus the Immaculate birth in itself being a sign of her defeating the snake.
 
If Original Sin comes from the mother, and Mary had Original Sin, then so did Christ.

Of course we don’t have to say that Original Sin necessarily comes through the mother. God can give Grace at conception to whom He Wills. The weight of tradition points towards Mary receiving such Grace at her conception, that is all. There needn’t be any kind of logical necessity to it.

Peace and God bless!
 
That’s a total misconception of the Immaculate Conception @Mary888

The teaching says that by a singular grace of God and in view of the merits of Christ, Mary was preserved free from every stain of sin from the moment she was conceived.

Unless you’re going to argue that God is unable to create a sacred vessel free of any stain, then you’d have to retract your previous erroneous view of the Immaculate Conception.
 
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Thank you for helping me even further with own considerations.
Ok, so you say if she ever carried original sin then Jesus must have carried it too. Why do we get baptised as babies? For the original sin. Jesus was baptized upon his own demand. St. John the Baptist was surprised but did it anyway. Why did Jesus do it?
Now I know I can be burned by the Catholics and the Orthodox. Maybe my ashes will end the Schism.☺️
 
Mary888 said:
Ok, so you say if she ever carried original sin then Jesus must have carried it too.
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No, I’m saying that this is the logical conclusion of what you were saying. You said that if Mary was free from Original Sin then St. Anne would have to be as well, but this would mean that Jesus had Original Sin if Mary had it.

My point is that God can spread Grace where He Wills it, and the weight of tradition holds that Mary was full of Grace from her conception.

Incidentally, the notion of the Immaculate Conception was originally an Eastern tradition, and many Latin Saints doubted it, and even the Old Believers held to it and complained that the Russian Church was deviating from the Faith by dropping it. It arises from a more Byzantine approach to Grace and Original Sin.

Peace and God bless!
 
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