What is the wisdom of God in feeling hunger?

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LibralAteoJesus said:
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Ok…

As I was saying…

What were God’s options…?

Destroy the universe…annihilation…option 1

Force us to love him and treat each other right…option 2

Give us free will and let us pick, though it also means suffering…option 3.
 
ClearWater said:
God’s omnipotent. Had he wanted that, he could have done it. LibralAteo is correct in that. He permitted this. Yes.
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Please provide a blueprint of a feasible accident-free, disease-free, death-free world…

NB Omnipotence does not imply absurdity.
 
LibralAteoJesus said:
Yes 😃
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Just as an FYI, this is a great question, but it’s not a “quick and easy” one. It has been discussed by countless theologians throughout the life of the Church. We’re talking whole libraries could be filled with tomes on this topic.
 
tonyrey said:
Can you explain how the world could be designed so that no one ever freezes to death? :confused:
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I’m asking for the spiritual wisdom of it, you are just asking a materialist question, there could be many non cruel alternatives that a God could invent.

If God advice humans to take care of those in need, where is he from his own advice?
 
Havard said:
Just as an FYI, this is a great question, but it’s not a “quick and easy” one. It has been discussed by countless theologians throughout the life of the Church. We’re talking whole libraries could be filled with tomes on this topic.
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Such as?
 
tonyrey said:
Please provide a blueprint of a feasible accident-free, disease-free, death-free world…

NB Omnipotence does not imply absurdity.
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Nothing is impossible for God. God could make descendents of Abraham from stones!
He brought his son out of a sinless virgin.

A disease-free, death-free world ,like before the Fall of Adam, is NOT an absurdity. It was, in fact, God’s original plan, and it is his future plan!
 
LibralAteoJesus said:
Can you explain how the world could be designed so that no one ever freezes to death?
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We are in a rather different situation from God. We don’t have to create a universe in which everything is supposed to go precisely to plan without any mishaps, failures, accidents, coincidences or cases of interference - in other words, a fanciful Utopia. We have the far simpler task of helping the needy in our own vicinity - which is quite feasible and which we have no valid reason to ignore.
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At different points, God used suffering for different reasons. Like in the case of Job, yes, that was a test.

Sometimes, we can actually be made stronger people through suffering. There’s a song that says, "Where the sun always shines
There’s a desert below
It takes a little rain
To make love grow

Read more: Oak Ridge Boys - It Takes A Little Rain Lyrics | MetroLyrics

What has made me stronger, as a person, is usually suffering. It perfects us, as individuals.

Sometimes, when his people disobeyed, God used suffering as a form of correction.

Job once more or less asked God why there was suffering, and God didn’t really answer. God just asked if Job had been there when God had created the universe and all the rest, and if he knew all the things that God did.

So, God expected Job to carry on, without always knowing WHY he did everything.
 
Have you ever been around someone who hasn’t suffered sufficiently? That person is usually one spoiled, selfish brat!

Often, what teaches us patience, say, is obstacles.

What teaches us to persevere is suffering. We are perfected in suffering. When we are weak, we are strong.

Kids who are rich, have everything, want for nothing, often are not very nice. They have never experienced want, suffering.

Really, I sometimes feel that we should ship them for a time to the third world, let them live in poor conditions until they can learn to appreciate what they have.

Although, I guess I should learn to appreciate what I have, too, touché.
 
God does not allow His people to be oppressed or suffer so they will be defeated, but so that they will ultimately be victorious. God will sometimes allow things to get bad enough so that we are forced to look up. When we come to this point and cry for help, God listens, and we obtain victory according to His will, either in this life or the next.
 
LibralAteoJesus said:
what is the wisdom of freezing to death?
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That is the result of a body placed outside its design limits (with respect to temperature).

A body simply will not hold life if placed in temperatures to hot or too cold, just as human body will cease to hold life if submerged under the ocean, etc.

There is no wisdom in death by freezing, per se. But if body’s physical limitations are a wisdom, then so is the death resulting from resisting those limitations.

ICXC NIKA
 
What is the wisdom of God in feeling hunger? It is the ultimate wisdom.

I’d say one of my greatest teachers, if not the greatest, is suffering.
 
The wisdom of nociception (experiencing pain) can be seen in those who do not experience it. If you cannot feel pain (flesh wounds and such, not mental pain) you can severely hurt yourself. Same is with hunger, you consume calories while living and these need to be replenished or you can work yourself to death.

The problem from what I understand is that we are not living in the world that was intended. Rebellion has occurred from both some of the support staff (angels who are now demons) and the human race. This makes things infinitely more complicated as we try to understand how much the demonic have been allowed to interfere with creation (I would argue things like prions and viruses are good examples) and how much we have missed by being fallen rebellious beings.

However, God in great wisdom and mercy gave us the ability to offer up pain as a sacrifice for the good of others. Thus making something unpleasant and difficult into something which can bear good fruit.

God Bless
 
LibralAteoJesus said:
If death is a part of God’s wisdom, what is the wisdom of hunger?
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I think that all of the ‘evil’ in our world is the result of Adam’s and Eve’s disobedience to God. By disobeying Him they basically told God, ‘we don’t want to obey you, go away.’ And so God has done just that. He hasn’t left the world, but he has let us go our own way and do what we want.

So the result of this, is that all of creation suffers. The weather is unpredictable and sometimes harsh, crops don’t grow as they should-resulting in hunger. etc., etc.

But God does love and care for us. If, as a whole, mankind asked God, he would step in. But, unfortunately, as a whole, much of mankind still does not want him. And so He still lets man do what they want. As a whole, mankind is blind, and doesn’t realize that all of the evil and hardship in the world is a direct result of man’s disobedience and stubbornness.

Jesus taught us to ask for our needs.

He told us to pray in this way, ‘…Give us this day our daily bread’. He knows about hunger on earth.

He also said, ‘Ask and you will receive. … What father would give his son a stone if he has asked for bread?’ (Matthew 7:7-11)

But James 4:2 says, ‘You have not, because you ask not’.

If this world really wanted God, he would intervene.

As it is, He uses our needs to motivate us to seek after Him. God didn’t intend it this way.
 
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