What is this obsession with the "heart"?

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It is all over the place.

“The fool in his heart says there is no God”.
“Your heart is closed to God”.
“You must open your heart to God”.
“If you don’t open your heart to God, your prayers will not be answered”…

and so on, ad nauseam.

What is this obsession? I only know one metaphor for the “heart”, and it is emotion. What does “emotion” have to with God’s alleged existence? I have my MIND open to the possibility that God exists. This means that I am open to logical and rational arguments. If the arguments would be sufficient, I would accept them. That is all I can offer. But the “apologists” demand something further, they want me to “open my heart to God”? What the heck do they mean?
 
It is all over the place.

“The fool in his heart says there is no God”.
“Your heart is closed to God”.
“You must open your heart to God”.
“If you don’t open your heart to God, your prayers will not be answered”…

and so on, ad nauseam.

What is this obsession? I only know one metaphor for the “heart”, and it is emotion. What does “emotion” have to with God’s alleged existence? I have my MIND open to the possibility that God exists. This means that I am open to logical and rational arguments. If the arguments would be sufficient, I would accept them. That is all I can offer. But the “apologists” demand something further, they want me to “open my heart to God”? What the heck do they mean?
In antiquity, the “heart” was not just the blood-moving body organ, but the locus of all mental and volitional activity. So human functions that we would assign to the head, the ancients attributed to the heart.

ICXC NIKA
 
It is all over the place.

“The fool in his heart says there is no God”.
“Your heart is closed to God”.
“You must open your heart to God”.
“If you don’t open your heart to God, your prayers will not be answered”…

and so on, ad nauseam.

What is this obsession? I only know one metaphor for the “heart”, and it is emotion. What does “emotion” have to with God’s alleged existence? I have my MIND open to the possibility that God exists. This means that I am open to logical and rational arguments. If the arguments would be sufficient, I would accept them. That is all I can offer. But the “apologists” demand something further, they want me to “open my heart to God”? What the heck do they mean?
depends where you’re getting this from

certain branches of protestants are big on “asking Jesus in to your heart” and that kind of thing

I think the word “soul” would be more appropriate than heart. hearts are organs used to pump blood.

and you are right, faith is primarily not an emotional thing
 
It is all over the place.

“The fool in his heart says there is no God”.
“Your heart is closed to God”.
“You must open your heart to God”.
“If you don’t open your heart to God, your prayers will not be answered”…

and so on, ad nauseam.

What is this obsession? I only know one metaphor for the “heart”, and it is emotion. What does “emotion” have to with God’s alleged existence? I have my MIND open to the possibility that God exists. This means that I am open to logical and rational arguments. If the arguments would be sufficient, I would accept them. That is all I can offer. But the “apologists” demand something further, they want me to “open my heart to God”? What the heck do they mean?
GEddie was exactly right.

Ancient peoples viewed the heart as the center of a person’s being including the source of a person’s feelings, will, and intellect. We don’t do that so much these days.

Here’s an interesting article that explains the Hebrew concept of heart:

jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/7436-heart
 
What’s up with the heart thing?

Well we still use it commonly today like when someone says “I know it by heart.” That means we don’t need to engage our mind. We say “Will you please get to the heart of the issue?”
That means you want to go to the innermost point, which is where our “heart” is. It is our innermost man or that is to say, our spirit. The spirit is the inner drive of our life, but especially our life in God. It is the point at which God touches us. This is what is most often meant when the bible uses the word “heart”. When we truly want to make something a part of us, more than just intellectual knowing, we must take it from the head to the heart. Where is this heart? It is centered in the area of the gut. Have you ever had a “gut feeling”? That is what I’m talking about. Science is just learning about the gut/ mind connection. It is much more complex than we thought and is the center of control for many things in the body, and even our personality on some level. So pay attention to your heart.
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The word heart appears over 1000 times in the Bible. If anyone is obsessed with it then it is God.

Opening your heart means loving others and thereby allowing God to love you. God’s love can’t enter your heart if it is hard.

And he said to them, “Is it lawful on the sabbath to do good or to do harm, to save life or to kill?” But they were silent. And he looked around at them with anger, grieved at their hardness of heart, and said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was restored. (Mark 3:4-5)

The pharisees, scribes and temple authorities would never receive God’s love because they were unwilling to love others. They refused to let a man be healed on the sabbath. That’s pretty hard hearted.

-Tim-
 
Are we alive because our heart pumps blood, or does our heart pump blood because we are alive? Does our conscious and pre-conscious life emerge from matter, or does the soul vivify matter?

A Christian would maintain the latter in both cases. The soul is the principle of life; it is the form of the body. And the heart is the central organ of life; it pumps blood and oxygen to the rest of the body, including the brain.

So, in one sense, the heart represents life. But the heart is also a symbol of the spiritual life, the life of the soul. And grace or love is the life of the soul. So the heart is also the symbol of love.

Many mystics received strange manifestations of the intense love that burned in their “hearts.” They would literally feel a kind of flame that consumed them. St. Mary Magdalene of Pazzi experienced this; so did St. Gemma Galgani, St. Padre Pio, Sr. Cherubina, St. Philip Neri and many others.
 
When my soul (reason) is consumed with absolute truth of the divine my heart is quickened by love of that truth. It is as if a YES confirmation is felt from my heart.

Sometimes my heart feels it is like a hearth (cosy warm and full of love).
Sometimes it is like a cool fresh waterfall.
Other times when I am loving the Love that loves my, my heart feels like a chalice with bubbling water overflowing from its edges.
I only get these feelings whenever I am contemplating truth and/or unconditional love for God.
 
GEddie was exactly right.

Ancient peoples viewed the heart as the center of a person’s being including the source of a person’s feelings, will, and intellect. We don’t do that so much these days.

Here’s an interesting article that explains the Hebrew concept of heart:

jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/7436-heart
Yes, the idea of the heart being primarily to do with love and emotions is relatively recent. I think in Shakespeare’s day they referred to the liver as the source of emotion. Eg. lily livered.

When the Bible talks about the heart it isn’t talking about feel-good emotions. Usually it means some form of will or desire, regarding the inmost man.
 
Are we alive because our heart pumps blood, or does our heart pump blood because we are alive? Does our conscious and pre-conscious life emerge from matter, or does the soul vivify matter?

A Christian would maintain the latter in both cases. The soul is the principle of life; it is the form of the body. And the heart is the central organ of life; it pumps blood and oxygen to the rest of the body, including the brain.

So, in one sense, the heart represents life. But the heart is also a symbol of the spiritual life, the life of the soul. And grace or love is the life of the soul. So the heart is also the symbol of love.

Many mystics received strange manifestations of the intense love that burned in their “hearts.” They would literally feel a kind of flame that consumed them. St. Mary Magdalene of Pazzi experienced this; so did St. Gemma Galgani, St. Padre Pio, Sr. Cherubina, St. Philip Neri and many others.
“obsession” gives wrong impression. It implies a mental disorder whereas it is reasonable to associate the heart with powerful emotions because it responds more swiftly and noticeably than other physical organs. Throughout history it has indeed been regarded as the symbol of both life and love but not with logic and reasoning because, as Pascal remarked, “The heart has its reasons that reason doesn’t have”.

The reason for Christians is what happened to Jesus on the Cross. The Roman soldiers wanted to ensure Jesus was dead without knowing He is the source of life. The saints have been overcome with joy, ecstasy and overwhelming love for the Sacred Heart because they knew it was pierced for us on the Cross and is the greatest symbol of Our Lord’s perfect love for all of us regardless of our sins and regardless of our response. They realised nothing else matters in comparison with this, the most important fact of all:
…neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 8:38-39
 
I guess the heart could be thought of as the interior man. Versus some exterior influence. For example, Jesus says

"Hear and understand: ¶ it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man… Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and so passes on? But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a man. ¶ For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. " (Mt 15:11, 17-19)

Jesus said this because the Pharisees thought that the ceremonial washing of their hands cleansed them from defilement, which they thought was external influence. Jesus said its not the external influence but the interior influence that defiles a man. A man’s actions are governed from within. A man harms his own soul by doing evil. He defiles himself.
 
Traditionally, the heart signifies openness to love. Think Valentines! :love:

Christianity puts the love of God and others at the center of our being…

Atheistic Scientism puts thought, not love, at the center of our being.

Christianity declares you cannot know God without being open to loving God.

Atheistic Scientism declares you cannot “show me God” so there is no God.

As to which is the obsession, scientism cannot say, because scientism cannot prove that God does not exist.

If there is a God, the love of God cannot be a matter of being willfully obsessed so much as willingly possessed.

From the tone of your question, it appears that you are an atheist. Yes? No? Agnostic?
 
It is all over the place.

“The fool in his heart says there is no God”.
“Your heart is closed to God”.
“You must open your heart to God”.
“If you don’t open your heart to God, your prayers will not be answered”…

and so on, ad nauseam.

What is this obsession? I only know one metaphor for the “heart”, and it is emotion. What does “emotion” have to with God’s alleged existence? I have my MIND open to the possibility that God exists. This means that I am open to logical and rational arguments. If the arguments would be sufficient, I would accept them. That is all I can offer. But the “apologists” demand something further, they want me to “open my heart to God”? What the heck do they mean?
It basically means to open yourself to God’s presence and to him speaking to your heart, rather than just to logical arguments. For the Christian the Holy Spirit makes all the difference, rather than just logical arguments. The Holy Spirit convicts us of sin, but at the same time consoles us. He doesn’t lead us to despair, but to a contrite heart.

I am not sure how you could open your heart if you do not know how. Have you asked them how you open your heart? For me, it involves prayer. Even as a Christian my heart could always be made more open to God. I find that prayer helps me to focus on God and become more open to him. Other things distract me from him.

For yourself prayer might be very simple at first. For example, praying honestly something like God if you exist show me your truth, or something like that. Being open to such prayer shows that you really are more open to his actual presence in your life, not just open to intellectual arguments. But open to him showing himself to you.
 
Another take on this is that while the head is at the top of the body, the heart is at or near the body’s center of mass.

So biomechanically, there is “more of you” involved with the heart than the head.

Your head can nod, stretch and bob every which way without the body per se moving, but where the body center (i.e. heart) goes, there is the whole self. Likewise, what occurs in our heads stays there unless/until the whole self moves.

Our heart also reacts volitionally before our mind does (blood pounding, etc)

So while knowledge and wisdom reside in our heads, it kinda makes sense to associate volition with the heart.

ICXC NIKA
 
There is a superb analysis of this question in a book by James R. Peters titled The Logic of the Heart.

Peters goes back and forth between Augustine, Hume, and Pascal to show how that logic of the heart works. Great book! 👍

P.S. I am not James R. Peters. 😃
 
There is a superb analysis of this question in a book by James R. Peters titled The Logic of the Heart.

Peters goes back and forth between Augustine, Hume, and Pascal to show how that logic of the heart works. Great book! 👍

P.S. I am not James R. Peters. 😃
Sounds interesting!
 
In antiquity, the “heart” was not just the blood-moving body organ, but the locus of all mental and volitional activity. So human functions that we would assign to the head, the ancients attributed to the heart.
So it is just a meaningless leftover? In the times of Aristotle the brain was supposed to be the organ which had one function: “to cool the blood”. Should we adhere to this concept?
It basically means to open yourself to God’s presence and to him speaking to your heart, rather than just to logical arguments.
Logical arguments MUST always come first. Only when the existence of God has been firmly established can one embark on the next step, of building a relationship with God.
I am not sure how you could open your heart if you do not know how.
That is the 64 thousand dollar question.
Have you asked them how you open your heart? For me, it involves prayer.
To pray to someone whose very existence is questioned would be a “farce”.
For yourself prayer might be very simple at first. For example, praying honestly something like God if you exist show me your truth, or something like that. Being open to such prayer shows that you really are more open to his actual presence in your life, not just open to intellectual arguments. But open to him showing himself to you.
When I USED to be a believer, that is exactly what I did. Needless to say, nothing happened.
 
When I USED to be a believer, that is exactly what I did. Needless to say, nothing happened.
When you were a believer, what caused you to cease to believe?

Must have been something mighty potent, because if you had any kind of meaningful faith, it would have to be.
 
It’s a matter of differentiating whys and hows. A reasonable and logical argument can lead you to accept a belief in God, but belief alone is a static thought. For example, you can make a reasonable and logical argument that your wife won’t cheat on you by considering her past and present behavior, but it still requires faith to actively trust her. The brain is the how, the heart is the why. Your feeling is what attracts you to your wife, not your intellect. The feeling is what causes you to rationalize your trust and commit to expressing it. You start with feeling, then formulate logical and rational argument as to why you should trust her. But human behavior is too unpredictable for syllogisms, therefore you inevitably idolize her if you don’t commit to actively trusting her. No human can live up to this ideal. When your wife acts in a way that does not fit your ideal, paranoia sets in. Many relationships are destroyed because either one or the other does not commit to a leap of faith. If you reconcile reason with feeling, then you can confront unpredictability with confidence.

It’s the same with God. If you only accept God intellectually, they you render him a mere thought. But God is living. He is existence itself. Reasonable and logical arguments can lead you to believe in him, but this belief is an idol if you do not actively engage him through prayer and works. It will crumble the second an incident occurs that does not fit your pre-conceived notions of God. This is partly why Christ rebuked the Pharisees. They idolized God as a warrior God, whose Messiah would be a King that would rule by the sword and extol the righteous at the expense of the damned. Their belief was rigid and legalistic. There was no room for redemption or surprises. When the Messiah turned out to be one of peace with infinite mercy, they denied Him, because he did not fit their ideal. But Christ proved that true belief requires both the heart and brain. We can rationalize our faith enough to trust Christ, but we must commit to the leap and act. To act means to be open to possibilities. That’s why Christ said “The law is alive”. Our reason provides us with the confidence that Christ is the law, our anchor, but our hearts allow us to leap into the ocean of possiblites that life offers. Therefore there is the rational belief of objective truth married with the yearning for redemption. This act is love. It’s why Saint James said:

“What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.” (James 2:14-26 NKJV)

And why Saint Paul said:

"8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."
 
When you were a believer, what caused you to cease to believe?

Must have been something mighty potent, because if you had any kind of meaningful faith, it would have to be.
My faith was as strong as only a child can have. Unquestioning, trusting. Unfortunately I used it to ASK for things, which is a major no-no - and I was unaware of this at that time. So I asked and my requests went unanswered. There is no use to run after a cart, which will never stop to pick you up. Eventually you get tired, and you give up. The result was that I lost my faith gradually when I started to grow up. And I never missed it ever since.
 
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