What is this vestment and when can it be used?

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I’ve seen Pope Benedict XVI wear something similar during the feast of Corpus Christi, and I was wondering what it’s called and how often/when it would be appropriate to wear. (The one on the right).

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It’s just a fancy, old version of the thing you see father wear every Sunday, a chasuble.

Our priest wears one like it most of the time.
 
The term “Fiddleback” Chasuble is a bit too all encompassing. There are many styles of the Roman Chasuble, French, Spanish, etc. Can’t tell which one this is from the photo. But I sure like it.
 
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Is that…Cardinal Mahoney? If it is…then I feel like this: :eek:
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Yes, that is what we were referring to.

I am 99% sure the photo is him notarizing the document that records his act of taking possession of his Title, which I think is Santa Sabina.
 
The fiddleback chasuble is actually the modern form of the chasuble. St Charles Borremo hated the fiddleback and regulated the form of chasubles n his diocese.
 
So, can it be used for the Ordinary Form Mass, or is the vestment restricted to the Extraordinary Form Mass?
 
It can be used in the Ordinary Form. I know a priest who uses them because he says they suit short priests likes him, lol.

When I vacationed in Mexico, A priest wore one, but I assumed that was because of lack of new vestments. It was a pretty poor parish. :confused:
 
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So, can it be used for the Ordinary Form Mass, or is the vestment restricted to the Extraordinary Form Mass?
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Yes, no.

Either major shape of chasuble–full or Baroque, you might say–is perfectly fine for use in either Form of Mass.

Often it comes down to preference. I like both; they each have their pros and cons. Full chasubles can be very beautiful when made of a heavy fabric like velvet, which is rare, admittedly. Then again, thin fabrics also work well. Baroque chasubles usually look better in heavy, stiff fabrics, because the point of a Baroque chasuble in the first place was to show off intricate fabrics while leaving the priest in comfort, as the same fabrics in full cut would be too heavy.

Full chasubles sometimes have a tendency to be wayyyyyyyyy too big, like ponchos, and it looks absolutely awful. Baroque chasubles, on the other hand, can be far too skimpy sometimes.

I would say that full chasubles tend to carry “Gothic” motifs well, and that Baroque chasubles tend to carry “Baroque” motifs well, and it is usually not advisable to mix them. I especially like the look of a bishop wearing a pontifical dalmatic under a Baroque chasuble, which shows it off quite nicely:

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Teaching moment!

There are several different types of chasubles. All are valid, and have arisen through different traditions, cultures, and climates. Here are a few:

The Conical Chasuble

This may be oldest form of chasuble. It’s very large, and can be inconvenient for the priest to wear, since it can easily cover his hands.

The Gothic Chasuble
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This is probably what most priest wear for Mass today. It’s similar in basic structure to the conical chasuble, but the sides have been shortened to allow better arm movement.

The Roman “Fiddleback” Chasuble

These arose in hot climates, and when more embroidery and fabric were used. They’re now associated with the Extraordinary Form. They don’t have much of a following in the Ordinary Form because it’s mostly the back that’s decorated, and the priest usually does not celebrate ad orientem in the Mass of Paul VI.

The St. Philip Neri Chasuble

This is kind of a mash up between the Roman and Gothic chasubles. Some bishops thought Roman chasubles were getting too short (like YoungTradCath mentioned), so there was an effort to expand them a little. Most people would say that this came out of that movement.
 
I’m guessing conical chasuble is what most people would see these days in their parishes?
 
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I’m guessing conical chasuble is what most people would see these days in their parishes?
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No, the gothic chasuble is what most people see. The conical chasuble is much larger, and it would entirely cover the priest’s arms, hanging 6-10 inches past the finger tips.

Here’s a picture of one that’s not been folded back:
 
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