What is Traditional Catholicism

[simpleas]

…if it is not what is taught in our parishes?

Was the language of Latin translated into English and so what we hear and prayer is an English version of the Traditional Catholic Mass?

 

[LoveTLM]

I would also add that the catechesis of the old days was significantly more robust than now. The “watered down” version I was taught in my 12+ years in “Catholic” schooling, religion courses, and special classes didn’t scratch the surface of the richness and fullness of our Faith. For reference, I am in my 30s. Of course I can speak only of my own experience, but it should be noted that I’ve noticed the same lack of catechesis in the majority (if not all) of my peers who also grew up “Catholic” and went through “Catholic” education. This includes peers who went through these programs in other parts of the country, not just my own neck of the woods. The traditional approach uses the rich arsenal that we have available - the writings of the saints, lots of prayer in the home with the family and individually, the use of sacramentals, adoration, daily Mass, etc.

 

[misstherese]

I recently was confirmed about two years ago. I honestly don’t even know what we learned in catechism class. We were given these little weekly readers we would go through as a class and read together about some girl who gave something to the poor or about organizations of some sort or how a kid learned a lesson from saying sorry to his sister. We were reading that sort of stuff right up until confirmation. It never sparked my interest whatsoever until I read some of the TAN books (known for being traditional) and suddenly I wanted to become a nun. Since then, my interest and understanding of the Catholic faith has grown tremendously. The kids these days in catechism class are given EXTREMELY little knowledge of the Catholic faith and honestly it really worries me. My mom was a catechism teacher for a short while and read some of the TAN books on Purgatory to the kids. And some of the roudiest and most talkative kids in the class suddenly would become quiet and curious and would actually listen.

Traditional Catholicism is basically just Catholicism as Catholicism is intended to be. Tradition is a major part of being a Catholic.

 

[Saxum]

Traditional Catholicism is best expressed in this Latin phrase: semper ubique et ab omnibus. This means ‘always everywhere by everyone.’ A traditional Catholic lives by this motto because it means that he keeps the Faith as it was handed down - this includes doctrine, liturgy, prayers and practice. As a good benchmark, if it wasn’t done in 1958, we don’t do it.

 

[Michael85]

Here is a good introduction to traditional Catholicism: Traditional Catholicism 101: A Brief Primer

 

[simpleas]

Thanks for that link. It’s got some much information.

I’ll assume I attend Traditional Masses in my area, though they are not like the Masses I’ve seen in old video’s, where the priest has his back to the parishioners,there are rails around the altar, people knelt for communion, women wore veils etc.

I trust the ‘version’ of the Mass is correct.

 

[Michael85]

The version of the Mass that you describe is not the traditional Mass. You can watch videos of the traditional Mass here.

 

[simpleas]

Thanks, I did look but didn’t find videos of a Traditional Mass, but I think I’m understanding that the Masses I have always known are not what they used to be before V2.
Traditional Mass would be said in Latin, am I correct?

 

[Saxum]

Traditional Mass would be said in Latin, am I correct?

In the first centuries, the Roman Mass was celebrated in Greek and moved to Latin. According to Vatican II, the Mass should still be celebrated in Latin and Gregorian chant should be given pride of place.

 

[simpleas]

So why then is Mass said in English? There must be permission for English translation or indeed other language, I’ve heard Mass in German, French, and Polish?

 

[Saxum]

So why then is Mass said in English? There must be permission for English translation or indeed other language, I’ve heard Mass in German, French, and Polish?

The permission was granted after Vatican II. The Pope has full and supreme authority to do this. However, Vatican II did not want this and Pope St. John XXIII issued Veterum Sapientia just before Vatican II in order to protect and preserve the use of Latin.

 

[1Lord1Faith]

Traditional Catholicism is best expressed in this Latin phrase: semper ubique et ab omnibus. This means ‘always everywhere by everyone.’ A traditional Catholic lives by this motto because it means that he keeps the Faith as it was handed down - this includes doctrine, liturgy, prayers and practice. As a good benchmark, if it wasn’t done in 1958, we don’t do it.

Do you go to an SSPX church?

 

[Saxum]

Do you go to an SSPX church?

I attend the Ordinary Form at a Dominican Priory 6 days per week. I also attend Opus Dei recollections once per month. I attend SSPX chapel once per week because dear friends are attached to their chapel and I like to remain in contact with them. I often worry that they’ll be mislead about Vatican II and the post-Conciliar Popes and I attend Mass with them to counter the more extreme views they hear from SSPX parishioners. I’d also add that I attend the SSPX chapel with the express permission of my Dominican spiritual director.

 

[simpleas]

Thanks.

Do you know if priests learn the Latin mass now, should the pope order mass to be celebrated in Latin?

It’s probably unlikely this would happen, not over night anyway.

 

[Saxum]

Do you know if priests learn the Latin mass now, should the pope order mass to be celebrated in Latin?

The Code of Canon Law requires all seminarians to be fluent in Latin before their ordination. Regarding the ‘Latin Mass,’ it’s worth remembering that the official version of the Ordinary Form is in Latin. This means that all priests should know how to celebrate the OF Mass in Latin.

However, if you’re talking about the Extraordinary Form of the Mass (the Traditional Mass), then most younger priests don’t know how to celebrate it. Many priests choose to learn how to celebrate the EF after their ordination because it improves the way they celebrate the OF Mass; Father Z regularly discusses this. The EF Mass also helps to confirm their priestly identity because the prayers and gestures really emphasise sacrifice; don’t forget that this was the Mass that produced priests like Fulton Sheen. Also, there are a number of priestly fraternities dedicated to the EF Mass and spirituality; these fraternities help a lot of OF priests to learn the Traditional Mass.

 

[simpleas]

Thanks.
I think this website looks good for information

Start Here: Why this Web Site, and what’s going on in the Catholic Church – Novus Ordo Watch

 

[Jestersage]

Thanks.

I think this website looks good for information

Do note that is a Sedevacantism website. Being traditional is good, but do it in the obedience of Rome. Even SSPX kept trying to reconcil with Pope Francis I instead of calling him “False pope”. There’s a reason we recommend FSSP over SSPX.

 

[Saxum]

Is Sedavancism allow in this forum now?

I’m not a sedevactantist and I dislike that forum. However, I’m glad the moderators are gone because it allows for a freer discussion. I’m certain many members will protest against that website and it’s pernicious lies. We’re all adults - we don’t need mods to ban people for asking questions.

 

[Saxum]

Even SSPX kept trying to reconcil with Pope Francis I instead of calling him “False pope”.

The official position of the SSPX is that Francis is the true Pope. The SSPX has expelled priests who believe in sedevacantism. Furthermore, I’ve NEVER heard any SSPX priest say that Francis is a ‘False Pope.’

 

[1Lord1Faith]

Jestersage:

Is Sedavancism allow in this forum now?

I’m not a sedevactantist and I dislike that forum. However, I’m glad the moderators are gone because it allows for a freer discussion. I’m certain many members will protest against that website and it’s pernicious lies. We’re all adults - we don’t need mods to ban people for asking questions.

The mods aren’t gone. But I guess the ban on certain topics doesn’t apply now.

Saxum, were you banned from the previous CAF forum platform?