What is Traditional Catholicism

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1Lord1Faith said:
Saxum, were you banned from the previous CAF forum platform?
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No but I couldn’t use my old username. Why do you ask? The admin tried to help but it didn’t work out. I’ve been a member of this forum since 2008 and I’ve seen many members banned. I always thought the ban on topics was unhelpful. I prefer to debate because crazy beliefs get exposed and defeated.
 
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Saxum said:
No but I couldn’t use my old username. Why do you ask? The admin tried to help but it didn’t work out. I’ve been a member of this forum since 2008 and I’ve seen many members banned. I always thought the ban on topics was unhelpful. I prefer to debate because crazy beliefs get exposed and defeated
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I asked because you said that you were glad the mods were gone; and you said that we don’t need mods banning people for asking questions, which I am not aware of them ever banning someone for asking questions.
 
1Lord1Faith said:
I asked because you said that you were glad the mods were gone; and you said that we don’t need mods banning people for asking questions, which I am not aware of them ever banning someone for asking questions.
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Ok. I was under the impression the mods were gone. I recall reading the thread thanking Thomas Casey for his work over the years. Someone said CA had got rid of the mods in favour of a self-moderation model. A priest member said he’d probably leave because it would cause chaos. In my opinion, less moderation is a good thing. I’m all for freedom of speech and debate.
 
Jestersage said:
The Nouvos Order Watch does call all Pope after John XXIII false Pope in it’s menu.
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That website is not associated with the SSPX in any way. Do you know any SSPX priests personally?
 
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Saxum, I was quoting specific to that poster that say Nouvos Ordo Watch is a good website.
 
Saxum said:
Ok. I was under the impression the mods were gone. I recall reading the thread thanking Thomas Casey for his work over the years. Someone said CA had got rid of the mods in favour of a self-moderation model. A priest member said he’d probably leave because it would cause chaos. In my opinion, less moderation is a good thing. I’m all for freedom of speech and debate.
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Regarding the moderation of the new forums: contrary to what has been mentioned, the new forums are now more closely moderated within the Catholic Answers apostolate. In addition, the new platform affords us many more tools to protect the community from spammers and other malignant users.
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https://forums.catholic-questions.org/t/what-do-you-think-of-the-forum-redesign/448581/188?u=1lord1faith
 
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I don’t know how I can be traditional if there are no traditional masses available to me…

I did look at this website, the video of the Masses seemed to me to make a mockery of the Mass, showing how Traditional Mass was once celebrated v a Mass that I haven’t ever attended, showing a priest who misses out some things and that has singing during Mass, doesn’t speak for all Masses said novus ordo.

I know little about the ‘argument’ but thanks for the information so far.

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The link posted by @Michael85 is something you must keep in mind, except some even argue SSPX should be avoided.

Are you a new catholic/catechumen? You mentioned how Traditional Mass is different from “Mass that I haven’t ever attended”. AFAIK, TLM had only 3 forms:
  1. Low mass. No singing
  2. Missa Canata. Seldom use now
  3. Solemn High Mass. Everything is sing/chant except the Translation reading.
 
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I meant the way the priest conducted the novus ordo in those clips, Example, there were no chimes at the consecration. There have always been chimes when I have attended Mass.

My curiosity was about the words said at Mass, that the english words used were they a translation of latin.
I understand that the ‘motions’ are no longer held in the new mass compared to the traditional way and some prayers have gone.
I have only ever known the novus ordo mass since a child, the traditional mass was the ‘old’ way, and I thought the change was to allow lay people to be more involved in the mass, which they are and in some places may be a little too much.
 
simpleas said:
I don’t know how I can be traditional if there are no traditional masses available to me…

I did look at this website, the video of the Masses seemed to me to make a mockery of the Mass, showing how Traditional Mass was once celebrated v a Mass that I haven’t ever attended, showing a priest who misses out some things and that has singing during Mass, doesn’t speak for all Masses said novus ordo.

I know little about the ‘argument’ but thanks for the information so far.
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Possibly you have a Institute of Christ the King parish near enough to you? http://www.institute-christ-king.org/home/

Or if maybe only a conservative NO they might have a weekly TLM? Ecclesia Dei - Traditional Mass Directory

And I would not visit the Nouvos Ordo Watch site…always, always stay away from sedevacantists sites. www.fisheaters.com is a much better option.
 
The Traditional Latin Mass (in one of the 3 forms mentioned above) is pretty much the same wherever you go. The Novus Ordo, on the other hand, differs from parish to parish, even within one city or diocese. One parish might have a reverent Novus Ordo Mass ad orientem with Gregorian chant and incense, while the next parish might have guitars and drums and be very irreverent.
 
Hi @simpleas! I just read an article last night that I thought you might be interested in. It’s a bit long, but it’s informative. It’s called “The Merit of a Mass” by Fr. Chad Ripperger, an exorcist and holy priest. It’s a bit off topic in that it doesn’t touch on traditionalism specifically, but it discusses the merits of the TLM and the NO. In his discussion, he touches on the specific parts and traits of each Mass that make them meritorious. In particular, at one point he discusses the participation of the lay people and what that means in terms of the Mass. If you have half an hour or so, give it a read; I’ve linked it below.

The Merit of a Mass

It sounds like the NO you attend may be more reverent than others. If so, you are lucky. I think that many comparison videos and articles use extreme cases in order to make a point. They try to show that with the changes of VII the NO provides many opportunities for liturgical abuses such as dancing, too much focus on the priest, and most tragically the chance for Christ to be desecrated by people who handle the Eucharist in careless ways. The TLM was very strict; it had to be a said a certain way. Everyone knew their place and function from the priests to the lay people. Anywhere you go in the world, the TLM will be the same with only minor differences among customs. The same cannot be said of the NO; you never really know what you’re going to walk into even from city to city and state to state.
 
Regarding the translation - no. The original translation of the NO from the TLM was not a direct translation. Words were changed and/or removed. Entire prayers were removed. The translation was updated several years ago (I don’t remember exactly when) to be more in line with Latin, but the NO is still drastically different from the TLM, as you noted.
 
Thanks all for your replies.

After a little search on the net I found a church that is about 45 min drive from me that has low mass on saturday mornings and thursday evenings. Its the only one in the diocese, and I never even knew there was latin masses in our diocese. (I’m in the U.K)

I shall try to get there at some point.

Thanks again. 😃
 
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Just so you know, that link you provided, when I clicked on it I got a dangerous site warning.
 
Hm. The article is posted on a university’s website, so I’m not sure what’s dangerous about that? That doesn’t happen for me.

I’m glad you found a TLM near you! Once you attend please return with any questions that pop up!
 
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