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pnewton
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…then they would be called bouncers.
By the way, its not very Christian to accuse someone of being a lawyer.
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By the way, its not very Christian to accuse someone of being a lawyer.
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SnorterLuster
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I agree, there might be a worse insult, I just can’t think of one right now.
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Joseph_Bilodeau
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The issue is not whether this woman should have been talking on the phone, the issue is whether an usher has the authority to confiscate personal property from anyone, rude or otherwise. He does not.
The legal way to handle a case of someone who creates a serious disturbance in church and refuses to cease this disturbance is to call the police and make a complaint of disorderly conduct. By taking the law into his own hands this usher may have exposed himself and possibly his parish to liability for damages.
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Pariah_Pirana
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Joseph Bilodeau:
I’ll bet your parish is choke-full of cell phones ringing during the Mass. Hey! Maybe the celebrant can have those people arrested? Gotta be some charge on the books that you could make stick – something as foolish as arresting an usher for confiscating a cell phone until the end of Mass for instance?
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Joseph_Bilodeau
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Pariah Pirana:
No, very seldom.
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netmilsmom
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This is cute netmil(name removed by moderator). I agree. For crying out loud. I think everyone understands that in a few instances, someone may need to cart in a water bottle. I think it is beginning to be a trend. One that takes away from the reverence and respect we should have for Our Lord in The Blessed Sacrament.
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(Hi Lady!)
It’s a matter of the exception becoming the rule.
You have a water bottle so I should too.
It’s sad that some people are fighting for an abuse (not liturgical but social) because of some individual cases!
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(Hi Lady!)
It’s a matter of the exception becoming the rule.
You have a water bottle so I should too.
It’s sad that some people are fighting for an abuse (not liturgical but social) because of some individual cases!
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pnewton
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Pariah Pirana said:
I can’t think of anything less injudicious than you risking a fight at Mass by snatching a woman’s phone. This was the act of a bully, not an usher.
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usqueadmortem
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netmil(name removed by moderator):
You weren’t kidding about this? A young boy died during Mass? That is so very sad. How did he die? Heat stroke?
netsmilmom,You know, I remember people passing out or dying right there in my non-Air conditioned church in the 70’s. Happened every week. We’d just look around and pray for his eternal soul. One time, Sister Petronia mistook some kid for sleeping and bopped him in the head with a metal ruler. He was dead he didn’t mind.
It’s such a good thing that we now know to bring water bottles to our Holy Mass.
You weren’t kidding about this? A young boy died during Mass? That is so very sad. How did he die? Heat stroke?
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netmilsmom
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Oh no! I’m so sorry, I thought that the winks at the end would let you know I was kidding.
My point was that even at the beginning or end of the school year, with wool uniforms and no AC in our church, no one ever passed out or died because they didn’t have a water bottle.
I apologize if you misunderstood. Truly.
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usqueadmortem
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netmil(name removed by moderator):
Oops. That would be very sad if it did happen.
Oops. That would be very sad if it did happen.
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Veronica1952
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Detroit Sue:
I have a medical condition which causes me to have dry eyes and dry mouth. In addition I take medication which also can cause dry mouth. No, I can not go without 45-60 min. without water. My mouth and throat get dry and I start coughing. Now this is the reason I have a drink of water in church, maybe some other people have similar conditions. I can’t speak for all people though, just telling you my side of the story.
Ok, if you see me in church on Sunday taking my bottle of water out of my purse and taking a swig - here’s why.
I have a medical condition which causes me to have dry eyes and dry mouth. In addition I take medication which also can cause dry mouth. No, I can not go without 45-60 min. without water. My mouth and throat get dry and I start coughing. Now this is the reason I have a drink of water in church, maybe some other people have similar conditions. I can’t speak for all people though, just telling you my side of the story.
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Feanaro_s_Wife
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While this reason is just, I can think of a better one.Always try and give people the benefit of the doubt and you’ll have more inner peace.
I am a new (almost) convert to the Catholic faith. Want to know what kept me from the Truth?
It wasn’t that I disagreed with doctrine or Church teachings( I didn’t know enough to disagree).
It wasn’t that I was strong in another faith (I wasn’t).
It wasn’t even all of the anti-Catholic sentiment that I grew up around.
It was hypocrisy. I could not understand how people who call themselves deciples of Jesus could be so mean and rude.
It took my faithful Catholic hubby to show me the Truth and beauty of the real Church. If it had not been for him, I would probably still be focused on the people who are constantly judging others and finding fault, yet still profess to be devout Catholics.
So next time you make a rash judgement, give someone a dirty look, or make a rude comment… think about the people you are keeping from knowing the Truth, as well as the people you may be driving from it. I doubt Jesus would be pleased.:nope:
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Detroit_Sue
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Then you should either discreetly sit in the back of the church or you should step outside to have your sip. I have a medical condition too, in which my swallowing muscles are affected. Sometimes it’s very difficult for me to swallow my host. I drink water constantly during meals to facilitate my swallowing. I have never taken a bottle inside church - I have left it in my car. When incense is used, I sit in the back, because I have had to step out for a moment.
It’s so inappropriate to think we have to suffer any less than Christ did. As we contemplate Christ’s suffering and death and celebrate His resurrection, can we not suffer a bit at the foot of His cross?
There are a lot of excuses being made here, which makes me believe that it is a larger problem than my Archdiocese. Because drinking water is *permitted, *does not mean it is always *appropriate.
Edited to add: *If dry mouth and throat are your problem, ask your priest if you could receive a dispensation to use the hydration drops on the market. Discretion is the better part of valor.
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Julian_Peters
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Thank you to all those who have participated in this discussion. This thread is now closed.
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